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What would you want to see in a new HE tactica?

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#1 · (Edited)
What does a good tactica consist of?

I've been considering organizing a new HE tactica. I say organizing because I don't have the knowledge or experience to write a good tactica by myself. But I feel that there is tons of good knowledge out there that just needs to be organized in an effective manner to be really helpful.

In my opinion, there are two main drawbacks to existing HE tacticae out there (here at LO and in other places I've looked):

1)They get quickly outdated and then aren't updated by their authors.
2)They tend to be made up mostly of common-sense statements. I have to scour an entire tactica to find a paragraph or two that has content which is quality and gets down to the nitty gritty.

So please answer the poll honestly and thoughtfully. Is this an effort that is worth undertaking? Or are people pretty much satisfied with what is out there?
 
#2 ·
I quite like the tactica that GN did when the book first cam out but it probably could use some updating.

There isn't a great deal out there that helps out an experienced player who is struggling with a particular race etc.

I guess that ideally a Tactica would be split into degrees of difficulty, is it your first warhammer army, in which case what are good combos etc how to engineer a flank charge.

Through to opponent/playstyle specific tips, what has worked and what has failed. I think that as you get more experience things become greyer but there are "easy" tactics to explain, bait and flee, Charge redirection w/ skirmishers & eagles, abusing hatred and Frenzy...

THe key thing would be to make it easy to navigate and understand, lots of pictures.

Writing a tactica is about experimentation with different tactics as much as the basics as well I suppose.
 
#4 ·
I quite like the tactica that GN did when the book first cam out but it probably could use some updating.
I agree. I think the tactica is good but it needs updating. I know for a fact that he has written material that is up to date to replace old material, but the tactica found in the forum here doesn't reflect that.

I think that as you get more experience things become greyer but there are "easy" tactics to explain, bait and flee, Charge redirection w/ skirmishers & eagles, abusing hatred and Frenzy...
This statement underscores the reason why I started this thread. Of all the tacticae I have read for HE, I have never seen those types of things explained. I have picked up on them through discussions going on in various places, but there is still lots more I need/want to learn about them and I'm sure any new player feels the same.
 
#3 ·
The other thing to remember with Tacticas is that they can really only deal with generalisations. Because of the vast amount of variety available in builds, both of your own and your opponent, playstyle, terrain, movement, luck etc it is quite difficult to go much beyond the simple 'basics'.
Let's face it, you can have the best plan in the world and lose soundly because of two things: Dice and an opponent.
So, yes, while a lot of it may seem like common sense there are those out there who will take something away from it, and you never know when you might come across an idea you haven't thought of before. But really, there isn't much more beyond generalisation that you can go into - unless it is favoured list compositions.
 
#5 ·
So, yes, while a lot of it may seem like common sense there are those out there who will take something away from it, and you never know when you might come across an idea you haven't thought of before.
I agree. There is usually something somewhere in a tactica that will at least spark a new idea.

But really, there isn't much more beyond generalisation that you can go into - unless it is favoured list compositions.
I don't know. I think a tactica could have more than just generalizations. The unpredictable factors of the dice and your opponent keep the game interesting. But you can still do several things to help your chances of winning and increase enjoyment of the game. Whether or not people actually care to read more than generalizations is a different question... :)
 
#6 ·
A tactica is a great idea look at the wood elf one that is great. some character combos with magic wepons how to flank and what work against what and what doesn't work against certain things like trying to out manover and shoot the woodelves. I would contribute if someone started it
 
#8 ·
Yeah, I've seriously NEVER seen a thread, tactica, article or anything that effectively explained how to flank. I'm sure that info has got to exist somewhere. But the fact that it is so hard to find will keep many people from ever reading it.

I'll keep you in mind as a potential contributor. I'll need all the help I can get.
 
#9 ·
Make it like the WE Tactica I'd say. Throw up a thread of what you want to see done, and let people do it in their own time. Give it a year or two (the WE one took two years) and you should have yourself a decent article.

Keep your articles list flexible. Add/remove them as you see fit.

Personally, I wouldn't want to see much on fluff etc. I want to read about HE tactics, and a story about how Caranthi smote a wicked beast isn't going to convince me to read it.

You may want to have a word on successful list builds (all Cav, mage-heavy etc etc), maybe a little opponent-specific strategy on something HEs may struggle against (DoC spring to mind).

-AFG//
 
#11 ·
If you look to the bottom of GN's thread, or one of the other more recent HE tacticas (i don't recall which) you will find my view on this point:

GN wrote a very good general overview of the army. New players can read his tactica and get a very good idea of what the army offers, and how to use the units. However, his tactica is just that- a general view of everything. We have several of these.

What I think the HE (and the forum in general) needs, are Specialty Tacticas. These pander to the more experienced gamers, or new players who decide that instead of the 'basic army', they want to play a specific type of army.

To make good on my word, I wrote a Cavalry Tactica. The draft is in the general HE section somewhere, and I still refer cavalry-minded players to it. With 8 years at the reigns of a Cavalry force, I was able to give advice on unit selection, unit roles, and various field-strategies, much like GNs intro-tactica, but all geared towards taking a Cavalry army.

If you have a specialty, that's what I'd like to see. That way, whenever someone comes on here asking "how do I do [such and such]" we just link them to that, and go from there, instead of writing "how to kill dark elves" or "how to equip nobles" over and over again.
 
#12 ·
@ CaptainSarathai:

I strongly agree with what you said. Here's why:

It is pretty easy for a newb to figure the general stuff out just from a game or two with a friend (assuming the newb has a mind for gaming). What is hard though is getting great ideas for specific tactics and coming up with fresh ideas for game-winning stratetgies. That is what I really have not been able to find.

Besides, someone can be a newb at WFB but be a killer strategy-game player. Someone who kicks trash at other tabletop game or chess or whatever will discover the basics of an army in a short amount of time. It's the detailed and subtle mechanics of the game that are difficult to understand and master.

I'll check out your article ;)
 
#13 ·
What does a good tactica consist of?

I've been considering organizing a new HE tactica. I say organizing because I don't have the knowledge or experience to write a good tactica by myself. But I feel that there is tons of good knowledge out there that just needs to be organized in an effective manner to be really helpful.

In my opinion, there are two main drawbacks to existing HE tacticae out there (here at LO and in other places I've looked):

1)They get quickly outdated and then aren't updated by their authors.
2)They tend to be made up mostly of common-sense statements. I have to scour an entire tactica to find a paragraph or two that has content which is quality and gets down to the nitty gritty.

So please answer the poll honestly and thoughtfully. Is this an effort that is worth undertaking? Or are people pretty much satisfied with what is out there?

If anything, my #1 choice would be tactics against each type of race. The VCs seem to be a real PIA at the present time.
 
#14 ·
Ok, I propose we get this thing started and put a new tactica together.

I agree with what ArchonFarseerGuy said:

"Make it like the WE Tactica I'd say. Throw up a thread of what you want to see done, and let people do it in their own time. Give it a year or two (the WE one took two years) and you should have yourself a decent article."

I'm going to get a new thread started where people can contribute of their own accord. It will take a long time (I'm assuming 1 year min). I'll be working on the outline for what I think should be included. So GET EXCITED about contributing! YAY!....or whatever :D

FYI I'd like to get contributions from people outside of the LO forum, like ulthuan.net. I think there's already some great articles written by people over there and I see no reason to have someone re-write them. I don't think the tactica needs to be LO specific. It should be for any and every HE player regardless of where they hang out on the internet. What say ye?
 
#16 ·
Thought of another one...

I would like to see a section about the "special" characters :

1. Are they as good on the tabletop, as we are led to believe from their rules in the book?

2. Tactica on the best way(s) to use each of these "special" characters, on the tabletop.

I hope I am not turning out to be too demanding ;)
 
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