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I dunno if it's just me, my school, or what, but it seems like we read the most terrible, boring books on earth. It seems my teachers just go out searching for the most horrific book they can force us to read.
Like, in world lit class we just finished reading a "mid summer nights dream" by shakespeare and that was just aweful. reading shakespeare is like reading a different language
and then we have to read this like ancient artifact shiz like Oedipus and Odysseus. but it gets better...if the book was originially written in another language, but they translate it to OLD ENGLISH instead of modern english...oh joy....
Most of what we read seems like really old stuff...why can't we read something more modern that can at least keep our interest better? I'm sure there's tons of stuff- my dad who reads a lot suggesed lots of authors and books but i don't really remember.
And really, I don't have a problem with it being old if it's at least kind've interesting but most of the time it's not interesting at all.
another thing that came to mind was it seems they try to pull out symbolism and themes out of EVERYTHING. sure, it may be there in some cases but it seems to me at least half the time it's completely rediculous.
"what does that one kid standing on his head represent?" "it represents the freedom which he employs throughout the story which degenerates culterural aspects of his envirnment" or something i dunno..my dad told me when he was in highschool his teachr did the same thing. he was reading this story and the author specficialy stated that there's no symbolism and his teacher still tried to for example have his pipe smoking represent his "rebelness"
whateever kinda just rambling.
what do you guys think? I'm pretty bored so im just like whatever i'll post this.
What would you rather read?
FHM and Harry Potter?
Learning is important, but it isn't always fun. That's something which is true to pretty much all of life. To be honest, reading stuff in old English is really interesting, because it can help you to understand how your own language works.
I've heard that in some places they even allow students to use 'u' instead of you and '2' instead of two/to/too.
Very dangerous and disheartening.
That said, I'll agree with you on the symbolism thing. I'm by no means a remotely good author, but I've had people put meaning in poems/lyrics/stories I've written where I didn't mean to put any in.
What's wrong with these? They're 100x better then anything else we've read IMHO.FHM and Harry Potter
And how come they don't let us pick what we read ourselves? Or, give us a choice out of a selection of books?
I agree learning is important, but you can learn from reading books other than that of shakespeare and similar stuff.
I'm not a fan of Shakespeare, and his comedies aren't what I'd call funny. But the whole point of English as a subject is in part to study how the language is used and how to convey theme, meaning and emotion.
Shakespeare actually did this pretty well, but typically this comes across better on the stage more so than in a book.
Old does not always equal rubbish. The likes of Chaucer and Shakespeare remain strong today because what they talk about is quite universal, and the way it is said rings true. Although the language is antiquated, which does make it difficult to get into, it's still in the curriculum and even portrayed on television time after time because the imagery is still powerful.
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Yes, but can't we learn this through differnt books? methinks Shakespeare should stay in the Shakespeare specific classes.I'm not a fan of Shakespeare, and his comedies aren't what I'd call funny. But the whole point of English as a subject is in part to study how the language is used and how to convey theme, meaning and emotion.
Shakespeare actually did this pretty well, but typically this comes across better on the stage more so than in a book.I agree. Just lots of the time it doesn't apply to modern culture and life (but yes, many times it does).Old does not always equal rubbish.I don't agree with it being really interesting, but I can see how it may help you understand the language in some ways.To be honest, reading stuff in old English is really interesting, because it can help you to understand how your own language works.
I'll be honest, I don't really rate Dickens or Shakespere at all.
However, I'm still glad that I studied them. Does that make sense? I mean, I only know I don't rate them because I studied them, and read other stuff on my own.
My main concern with what you're saying is that.. it's a step in the wrong direction. By taking a step that way, are you potentially opening the floodgates for more such changes in the future?
As in, one generation later, kids complaining at having to study stuff like common fiction in favour of some leeting Final Fantasy 7 fan fiction?
Harry Potter maybe interesting.. however, I dunno... I'd not feel happy with my kids learning from them, simply because they're absolutely terribly written...
I'd compeletely disagree with that. I think Harry Potter is one of the best written series in history.Harry Potter maybe interesting.. however, I dunno... I'd not feel happy with my kids learning from them, simply because they're absolutely terribly written...
I guess your right in the fact that we should still study all areas, but I think the emphasis should be on where the interest lies as long as it still teaches and holds educational value.
The fact is, we can only disagree on Harry Potter because we've both actually read it.
And I'll support you if you're saying that a greater variety maybe needed. The English language, afterall, is still living and the most dynamic language on Earth.
So, nay to elimating 'classics' and yay to getting more variety in there.
.. or something. How does that sound?
sounds good to me 8Y
*goes back to playing pokeman*
If it makes you feel any better - Shakespeare sort of improvised his own grammar, he doesn't even follow old English rules. So, it's twice as frustrating.
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