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Hey all. Every time anyone mentions fascism I feel uneasy coz I have the vague feeling that we are not talking about the same thing.
So I started asking people what they thought fascism actually is, and discovered that everyone has a totally different idea about it. Some people say it is an ideology,others a way of behaving (eg. "The cops are acting like fascists). A friend of mine with a PhD in History says that it is the ideoloogy behind certain 20th century european political movements, and that to mention it in any other context is meaningless. My boss at work (a socialist Union Rep.) seems to equate it with everyting wrong in the world on a purely emotional level, which is annoying because she is highly educated and would never speak of anything else in this badly thought out way.
Basically I have found 99 out of 100 people use "fascism" to mean "evil", which is not cool when you are trying to have a discussion about the real world without bringing vague philosophical (or imaginary! concepts into it.
I'm getting to the stage where whenever someone uses the word fascism i stop listening because it is just a buzzword people use to rant on politics or behaviour they don't agree with. I wait until they ahve returned to a more rational form of discussion.
So I am extending my research to the internet to ask you guys what your definition of fascism is...
I know what democracy, capitalism, anarchy, socialism, communism all are, but just what the ***k is Fascism? :hmm:
Oh and how long before someone mentions the USA do you reckon? 4 or 5 posts?
(Oh yeah I wanted to put this in that "Real world issues" forum but I couldn't find it... :blush: )
this topic is political and political has currently been banned. sorry man.Originally posted by robotnik@Dec 10 2004, 20:29
Oh yeah I wanted to put this in that "Real world issues" forum but I couldn't find it... :blush:[snapback]271956[/snapback]
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Thanks sap, that site was pretty informative. This quote seems to be the gist of what they were saying:
"(Fascism) as a political science, the... state's nature is superior to that of the sum of the individuals comprising it -- individuals exist for the state, rather than the state existing to serve them. The resources that individuals provide from participating in the community are conceived as a productive duty of individual progress serving an entity greater than the sum of its parts. Therefore, all individuals' business is the state's business, and the state's existence is the sole duty of the individual."
Ah, no wonder everyone hates it so much! It is pretty much the opposite idea to any existing political system we have in the world today. The idea that individuals exist for the state intead of the other way around...I find that difficult to even comprehend.
You can have an individual without a state but you can't have states without any individuals. It's kind of obvious to mewhich one is more important...
I still don't see how it is inherently evil though...Just seems like a different political idea, open to as much abuse as any other political system (including democracy etc.)
I think it has just become our secular version of Satan, how everyone in the middle ages blamed Satan for everything and he represented evil that could not be redeemed. I think most people nowadays would say that a good fascist was impossible, like a good rapist or a good murderer.
Also I didn't realize politics was banned again :o That kind of sux.
It does, yes.
But you can easily see how this ideology gained such a foothold in mid-war Europe. The idea of a strong leader, and strict rules to follow appealed to people without a future in the chaos of the twenties and thirties.
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the public supposed to back the government? yuck, i allways thought it ment the public was controled by one man that attained power through force and legaly fools the people but i guess thats a dictatorship huh? well, i'd never back any government. cause here in AMERICA hehe, the government is supposed to be we the people, but seems repulsed and disgusted by the people, so what is that called? democracy devolving into aristocracy?
Take my words with a grain of salt, i am not the tactical genius i think i am!
Just out, 6th postOh and how long before someone mentions the USA do you reckon? 4 or 5 posts?
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The belief of Superiorty of their race/empire/country. In my opinion extreme patroitism and nationalism.
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Fascism is the mirror image of communism.
Both mean an end to civil liberties, but one has the corporations own government while the other has government own the corporations.