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I am an avid player of many different games such as Shadowrun, GURPS, Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Warmachine, a handful of CCG's just to name a few. Not one single other company that I just named keeps its customers in the dark as much as GW, and frankly, I find it quite irritating.
Go the Shadowrun Website, they have their entire next years worth of future publications right there on the welcome page so you know exactly what they are going to be releasing. Go the GURPS page, they have at least the next 6 months to a year laid out in advance. Go the Privateer Press page for Warmachine, they have at least a couple months worth of stuff laid out for us to see.
Now go the GW web page. See any mention of Black Templars? Nope. We KNOW they are working on them, THEY know they are working on them. So why can't they keep us in the loop? I have good sources that tell me that Orks and Tau are also being worked on, but what do you get if you ask the people at GW? We can't tell you that right now.
I'm trying to figure out this whole policy of non-disclosure about their future products and why they don't give us near enough time in advance for us to set aside funds to purchase their future products. I didn't hear about the Wood Elves from ANY of my sources, and then BOOM, they were released. I was already purchasing Tyranids, and suddenly the army I've been waiting five years for is released without any warning. Now I'm scrambling to get some money together just to purchase a couple of regiments.
Anyone else want to share their thoughts about this?
H0urg1ass, you raised some very interesting points in your post. I agree with most (read: all) of what you said. GW should tell us something. To be fair, they do give us a one/two page preview in WD if its a new army, but this is only one/two months before they are actually released.
Perhaps this isn't accurate but do you think it could be to get more people to buy mass of the new product(s)? Okay, people cannot plan to buy stuff, but imagine someone seeing the new Wood Elves army pop-up out of nowhere, and; "Hey, have you seen the new WE army? It's amazing! I must buy that right away!" Perhaps 'suprises' make people want/buy things instantly?
I tend to plan my GW purchases very carefully, so I personally would like to know at least 6 months in advance before a new army is released. At least that way I can set a little envelope aside with the words Wood Elves written on it, and spend that money when they come out.
My father is a mechanical engineer and he has done some work with plastic injection molding, he told me that it takes at LEAST six months to get those kinds of projects finished before they can even mass produce them. Because of this I KNOW that GW knows at least six months in advance of when something is going to be released. In truth it would be much more in advance than that.
I just want to be kept in the loop by my favorite game. I just wish my favorite game and my favorite game company were one in the same, cause they are NOT the same currently.
I think a lot of members of this forum will share this view. I do.Originally Posted by H0urg1ass
Forgive my optimism, but I kind of like it like that.
GW: "Hey everybody, this is what we are releasing, when we are releasing it, this is how much it will be, etc..."
LO Forums: "So, did you se those new models?" "Yea...they looked cool." "yea..." "Yea...."
GW: "...we like to make stuff..."
LO Forums: "So, what do you think will be next?" "Well, I heard this." "I heard this." "Magic faeries told me this."
See where I am going with this? GW and it's affliates (White Dwarf, websites, etc) are the bottom of the barrel for information on their products. That's what makse this site so killer. Where else can I get tactics better then White Dwarf, Painting tips better then 'Eavy Metal, rumors and secret sthuff better then a redshirt, and a chance to chat it up with thousands of fans worldwide? Not knowing lets our imaginations roam, and in some aspects, we come up with better ideas then GW along the line, which can only serve to better the hobby as a whole.
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I belive that it actually takes GW at least 8-10 months (if not even a year) to make one singel army when you think on all the concept designs, test models, artwork, fluff, rules, gametesting, etc they do before they release it.
But then all you see is first a little notice in WD 6-4 months before the release. Next thing is a two page preview the month before the army is released.
Now why do they do it like this, well to start off, because we do what we always do, we discuss it here on the internet and the rumours does one thing, they build up a hype about the new project. Even though a rumour might be wrong it still adds alot to this hype.
And this hype has one effect, more people will get intrested in the army and this is good if you ask GW, because more people intrested in the new army, the more armybooks/models/etc sold.
So it's not more than a good sales idea, and it was used quite alot in pcgames world before and still is very commonly used, the developers don't say that much about their game and only releases a screenshot now and then.
But I have to agree on that it would be much more fun if they gave us more information and earlier about their new armys and I would say that it would probably work just as good saleswise too. Instead of giving the people a few glimpse here and there, they could give us more information and build up the intrest that way.
I think that it's a good point that this type of thing generates hype, but so does giving us a release schedule.
I've spent a couple of months wondering what new and amazing changes will be in the new Shadowrun 4th edition rules, but they are being very tight lipped about it. We KNOW that it's coming out and that it's probably 6 months to a year from being completed, but we don't know what it's going to be about, so we are all starting rumors.
I think the hype will build even if we know what they are working on, but if they just keep the actual changes quiet.
Suprises are good, but being told nothing is bad.
Its suprising how much info you glean from the net. About a year ago I heard the the Nid codex was coming out in June 05. And it did! I didn't hear about Space Marines though (!). GW are really, very poor advertisers, they need to improve. IF I hadn't joined this site I would not know about Orks, Eldar, and Tau getting new 'dex's or revisions. GW need to step up a level (or maybe 3).