Welcome to Librarium Online!
Join our community of 80,000+ members and take part in the number one resource for Warhammer and Warhammer 40K discussion!
Registering gives you full access to take part in discussions, upload pictures, contact other members and search everything!
Ah, my first enhanced thread.
Just noticed GWB saying he wants to send Americans to the moon and make a colony. Assuming this is for real (and not a distraction for the war on terror or Bush going crazy like Reagan did), what do you guys and girls think about it?
I was sitting with my girlfriend last night watching the news and they showed Bush talking about his Moon plans, and I said "hey awesome, we're finally going to colonize the moon."
My girlfriend said "What do you mean we? America's going to do it. We'll need a passport to go there, and I bet only Americans will be allowed to settle."
I felt a surprising surge of rage at this . Surely the moon belongs to all humanity? But I can see she is right, the US has always subscribed to the view "if you can go out and get it it's yours." That's the cornerstone of capitalism. No-one will be able to force them to allow the moon to be "world land."
I just felt really disppointed that something as amazing as the moon is going to fall into the hands of just one nation, when we all know from history that earth's nations are petty things that come and go all the time.
So who thinks the moon should be everyones on principle, and who thinks it should go to whoever does the hard work of colonizing it? I think it should be everyones but I can see the other argument too.
Hmm, I see where you are coming from. However, if you think about it, if the United States were to colonize the moon, it'd first be a research station, like the one in antarctica. A move by the US to disallow people from going there and claiming it as theirs would be a foolish move. Such an action would put the USA in worse standing with the rest of the world than it is in now. It would be very bad for international relations.
And this endevor would cost alot of money, money that the US doesn't have at the moment. So if we're going to the moon to take it, it'd be a collaboration between many nations, and the moon would be for everyone. And it'd look good for the US if it was something like the International Space Staion, where many nations "helped " build it and belongs to everyone. But that's a whole another can of worms entirely...
In the end, I don't see the United States claiming the moon as theirs...
Last edited by dymew; October 6th, 2005 at 05:27.
Dreams give us a vision of a world unlike any we have seen. They present us with a glimpse of a better life; a goal to aspire to, and in the face of insurmountable odds, they provide us with the power to overcome, to live on, and to succeed where we would have otherwise failed.
Nor I. People will not be living on the moon (residentially or otherwise) for quite a while. dymew is right, it will be a research station built collaberatively by many nations (just like the space station). Of course America will have a large piece of the pie but, not only could they not take over, but they could hardly justify taking it for themselves. How would they make that claim? How would they defend it? Would they make a moon army to defend the satelite from invasion by, say, Russia? Bah, an American will be first (back) on the moon but we'll share it, for the most part (well, not Canada, of course ).
Yeah, we'd need, I dunno, a space program first.
Because ours sucks.
However, I move that we send people from the Yukon up there. We already live in a cold, rocky, somewhat barren landscape. Well, in winter, at least.
Burn the land and boil the sea. You can't take the sky from me.
Member of the Canadian Clan, eh.
Mech Tau Cadre: 2000 points, needs paint and magnets.
Paladins of Avalon (SW):-1500 points, needs paint.
Not true where I live. We have quite mild winters.
Anyways, I don't really see the pts in going to the moon anytime soon, and yes I realsise there are some aplications but what would we research on the moon? isn't it part of earth that was lopped off when if was forming by an asteroid of something?
And yes, they could set up telescopes and what not. But I'd think it would be better to wait until we hd several good uses for the moon, like defence against aliens maybe? (or as a point to send ships to mars and stuff, I was kinda kidding about the whole aliens thing)
Basically, wait until we really need it before we start building on the moon, other wise it could end up as a dead and wasted progect due to unuse IMO.
Hey, look at me, I'm enhanced, wait a second, we all are, oh well.
Mike, with regards to research on the moon. I think it has the potential to reap some huge benefits. Many things react differently in zero g than in "normal" gravity and at lower temps.. Electronics research could jump pretty fast if there was an electonic R&D station on the moon, (signals will travel faster without gravity slowing them down, as much, and at temps closer to absolute 0). There's other stuff, but electronics was the first to come to mind.
As to the Georgie sharing with everybody, I don't see how he could keep it to himself. If he managed to REALLY upset every nation in the world the USA would be in trouble. The import more than they export, so a serious trade sanction would really hurt.
A little pain never hurt anyone - Larry
A voice of reason! Well said Onlainari. People who dislike Bush only have to wait him out for 3 more years.Originally Posted by onlainari
But just to spite you all, we'll elect his brother from Florida; Jeb Bush; for an additional 8 years! LOL!
But on to the topic at hand. I'm usually optimistic about space exploration. But in my opinion a colony on the moon at this stage would be a very expensive coffin for the volunteers that go.
It's a good goal to shoot for, but to be honest, even our combined space programs here on earth would never be able to keep them supplied or react quickly enough to rescue them in an emergency.
Maybe once the space station is comfortably in orbit and we can keep it well maintained and supplied it would be less like suicide to attempt a moon colony.
As for the role of a moon colony it's first mission would be survival, followed by research/exploration, possibly followed by mining or refueling for a mars space station or colony.
I think it's safe to say that America trying to claim the entire moon for itself is a laughable concept, (I base that on the fact that when I read the post asking if people thought we Americans would claim it for ourselves it made me laugh).
The moon belongs to everyone, but don't for a moment think that it won't be parceled out into 'National Territories' based on what other nations choose to build there. I forsee China, Russia, Japan and India as possible colonists with their own territories.
As for tourism to the moon? Don't count on it your lifetime. By the time the moon becomes a tourist spot Jenna Bush's grandson will be president!
Last edited by Joker; October 6th, 2005 at 13:29.
My first enhanced post. Feels good.
Anyway, while America might not be able to claim ownership of the Moon or Mars, someone sure has
$40 bucks US for an acre. I might buy one just to get all that pretty paperwork. It would make one hell of a collector's piece.
EDIT: Apparently, that site is run by a couple of University of Florida students out of their dorm room.
There does seem to be a legitimate site selling Lunar acres. http://www.lunarregistry.com/
If nothing else, these guys are cheaper.
Last edited by Gojiratoho; October 6th, 2005 at 17:39.
Gyauayuayuayua! Ja! Ve vill crush da little girly men in deir little girl men awrmor! Ve vill see owur enemies driven befowur us, und hear da lahmentaytions of deir wemen. Und from owur home planet, de stayte uf Califowurnia, ve vill lawunch owur mighty offensive. Even if you kill us, ve'll be bach!! Gyauayauyauyauyau!
-Arnoldunit Schwarzenecronegger; when questioned about the impending doom he would rain down upon the heads of his doomed enemies.
My local shopping mall used to have a booth in the foodcourt where they sold square acres of Mars for I can't remember how much. I could have sat down to a lunch of New York Fries and a piece of paper telling my I own a percentage of Mars. That is probably one of the most rediculous things I have ever seen. Kinda makes me sad.