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I was surfing the net while bored this morning and I came across this funny video: http://www.grab.com/fun/specials/licensetopill
Many people use humor to discuss serious social problems because humor provides a pleasant medium by which to discuss these topics without tearing our hair out and yelling at eat other. Although this video is fairly funny, it actually raises a couple of concerns that I've always thought about myself:
Do we really need all of this medicine?
When does medicine go too far, if you think it goes to far at all?
Is Holisitic medicine a viable alternative to standard medications?
Ok, now before I get flamed for saying that medication is bad, I do have to say that some medications have saved thousands, if not more, lives. We have the means to get rid of many life threatening diseases and ailments before people die of them through the advent of different medicines. I'm not talking about these worldwide life savers. Instead I'm more interested in things like Viagra, Ritalin.... you get the point.
Anyhow, I'll reserve my opinions until a few other people have made their voices known.
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Scary Video. I make it a point to only take medicene when I'm really really sick. Like 40 degree temperature sick.Do we really need all of this medicine? -Hell no. Certainly not medicines which side effects include "May Cause Anal Leakage". Eugh.Instead I'm more interested in things like Viagra, Ritalin.... you get the point.
When does medicine go too far, if you think it goes to far at all? When it becomes "so you can cure what is perfectly normal for humans to have, and isn't that bad for you" - like wrinkles. Wrinkles (most of the time) won't kill you.
Is Holisitic medicine a viable alternative to standard medications? Possibly, yes. There certainly can't be anything wrong with it.
But who knows I might be on Viagra! :w00t:
Maybe Viargra in "Special" cases, but not for recreational pruposes. Hell no.
Last edited by Lord Yossanrion; October 16th, 2005 at 05:19.
Like Lord Yoss I only take medicine when I am very sick. I know that in 99% of illnesses resting and drinking plenty of fluids will do as much as any pill I am given, so I only take medicine for illnesses which specifically require it and can't be fixed with diet and exercise, which is actually not very many things at all. I haven't had a prescription for a drug in over 3 years, though of course I have visited the doctor for checkups etc.
Then again every society has used drugs to medicate itself in order to get rid of whatever was percived as a social problem of the day. Maybe ritalin et al are just our civilizations versions of laudanum, opium, alcohol, coca, and all the other drugs people have used since the dawn of civilization in the belief that they do you some good.I certainly hope not! I don't think the world is ready for a 16 year old boy with a pocket full of viagraOriginally Posted by Lord Yossanrion
EDIT: I removed most of my post because I realized that I hadn't really answered H0urg1ass's questions, just sort of waffled on about something different as usual
Last edited by Kahoolin; October 16th, 2005 at 07:59.
I definitely think that too many people are taking too much medicine that they donâ€™t need. Itâ€™s even been seen that senior citizens come to the hospitals with an illness that is in fact caused by their multiple medicaments being too strong and with opposing effects, and itâ€™s something Iâ€™ve been warned against countless times in medical school. Our society has reached a point where medicine is expected to solve all problems, big and small, and it can be very difficult for a doctor to refuse to prescribe medicine when the patient insists on wanting a cure. Often placebo would have the same effect and fewer side effects as whatever such patients are given, but prescribing placebo without informing the patient is illegal in these parts and that rather takes away the point. Perhaps alternative forms of medication might be an option in such cases; I must admit that I donâ€™t trust most forms of alternative medication due to the lack of empirically proven effects, but if the point is to make people feel better about themselves rather than actually treat a known disease, well, then Iâ€™m all for it. The placebo effect can be very strong, and making people feel better mentally is also a cure in a way.
When do I think medicine goes too far? When you take medicine for a condition that isnâ€™t an illness, thatâ€™s where I would draw the line. Head aches caused by dehydration and a wrong diet, for instance. Some people have really strong migraines and should of course be treated, but most times when people take an aspirin they are actually benefiting more from the accompanying glass of water than the pill itself, and are instead filling their bodies with unnatural chemicals that takes time and effort to remove from their system.
I also disagree a lot with the increased tendency to medicate children for ADHD; itâ€™s especially a problem in the USA, but is now spreading to the rest of the world. I donâ€™t know if all these children that are medicated for hyperactivity actually have the deficit, but even if they do it canâ€™t be healthy to fill their growing bodies with a medicament designed for adults and never fully tested on pre-teens. They should rather receive other forms of therapy, because interfering with the body at that stage can lead to severe problems later on. Plus, many children are naturally rambunctious and borderline hyperactive without having any mental or hormonal deficits. Medicating them to make them easier for their school and parents to handle just seems immoral in my opinion, and I would as a doctor be very hesitant to ever write such a prescription myself.
Finally, we must also consider that overmedication might be responsible for the new strains of multi-resistant bacteria that are appearing around the world. If we were less eager to expose these bacteria to our full arsenal of antibiotics they wouldnâ€™t have the chance to grow resistant, but now weâ€™re in effect creating these untreatable diseases ourselves. For this reason alone a bit of restraint would be in order, in my opinion.
"Girls are nice and cuddly on the outside, and freaky on the inside." ~ Lost Nemesis.
Exactly, that's what I was getting at. If you actually listen to your own body you can usually tell what's wrong, and it's usually something minor. It's as if people think "I have a headache" and reach straight for the aspirin instead of taking the time to sit down for a bit, rest and relax, at which point the thought "I'm thirsty" will most likely pop into their head. I sometimes go a week or two without eating anything geen, and then I'll be really hungry and go into a food court. I see all this fast food and my first instinct is to get a Big Mac or whatever, but if I wait for minute I will suddenly get the thought "I really feel like a salad sandwich." It's amazing. Then I eat the salad sandwich and feel really good. Once you get into the habit of this it becomes second nature. Now when I am hungry if I feel like fish I buy some fish, if I feel like tomato I buy something with tomato on it, if I feel like steak I buy a steak, instead of just thinking "food=meat and three veg=burger."Originally Posted by GrephaunEver talk to an old person? They will tell you hardly anyone had ADHD in the old days. You know why? Because if a kid ever looked sideways at an adult they got a smack around the ear. Kids were brutalized into being respectful of adults. If you were a kid back then it was unthinkable to talk back to an adult or disobey theit commands.Originally Posted by Grephaun
Now I'm not saying that we should go back to hitting kids to prevent ADHD, but what this does tell us is that ADHD is caused by the attitudes of our society. If a form of behaviour is clearly a result of a change in society (as many diagnoses of ADHD obviously seem to me) then how do you "treat" it? By examining ourselves and changing society again. You don't give them drugs as if there is something physically wrong with them, that's only going to create another problem. Besides anything else it's inconsistent.
"Stay away from drugs kids. If you're unhappy you can't fix it by dosing yourself with a mind altering drug. Oh except ritalin and zoloft. They're OK." Anyone see the contradiction here? I bet some smart kids will when they get to be teenagers.
By the way I am not one of those people who say ADHD doesn't exist. What I am saying is that if it a chemical imbalance in the brain (ie a physical illness) then it should occur roughly as often as it always has. If nothing physical in our environment has changed but ADHD has skyrocketed then I call change in social cirucmstances coupled with gross over-diagnosis. Either that or the governement put something in our water supply and didn't tell us :ninja:
Well, it looks like everyone else has had a chance to reply so I'll toss in my two cents.
I pretty much agree with all you here. I'm totally against taking medications for every single illness that crops up in my life. If I have a headache, then I go drink some water and deal with it.
If I'm depressed for a couple of weeks, then I go look for something new to do to take my mind off of things rather than resorting to anti depressants.
I know some people who are on several different medications at the same time and they are only 20 years old. I think that it's a bit excessive and I'm fairly sure that when the body has to deal with all of these different medicines, then it probably puts an undue amount of stress on your system. Of course, putting more stress on the body invariably leads to another illness which leads to more medication.... it's a big downward spiral.
Personally, I'm very very interested in holistic medicines and treatments. I'm fairly sure that a lot of them are just placebo's.... "Here, take this root and you won't be depressed", but some of them probably have some sound basis for working. My wish is that some respected people in the medical community would give these kinds of treatments a fair go before automatically disqualifying them just because a doctor didn't think them up.
Remember, people were healing themselves for thousands of years before the government stepped in and said "Hey, you have to have a doctor diagnose that before you really have it". I'm not saying that all of these old doctoring methods were good, but I'm also sure that a lot of good stuff got thrown out with the bad when medical services became more clinical.
Interestingly enough many traditional remedies are thoroughly and scientifically tested in Germany. I have a book I got at a sale called "1001 Healing Herbs" and in the introduction it explains how doctors in Germany test traditional remedies with the same frequency as new ones. The book only includes safe herbs that have been tested in clinical trials, and it's amazing how many of them in the description have "... was tested in trials in Germany and it was found that..."Originally Posted by H0urg1ass
Also amazing how many times it'll talk about a herb traditionally used for stomach aches (for example) and the description will say: "doctors use such and such a chemical, a compound found in this herb, to treat nausea."
Many of our modern medicines come from traditional remedies, the only difference being they are taken in pill form instead of tea form, mainly because many herbal teas taste terrible. Hence the saying "take your medicine!":x
Lastly, the book talks about that preserved neolithic guy found in Switzerland. His pouch conatined herbs used in many European cultures as coagulants, anti-nauseants, and laxatives. When they x-rayed him they found he was constipated and had a stomach ulcer. Amazing.
EDIT: Oh, oh, another awesome fact about traditional remedies. Caesar in conquest of Gaul remarked about the Druids giving Gaulish warriors willowbark to chew before battles. Willowbark is aspirin. He then went on to say that the Celtic warriors fought like madmen and would often keep on fighting despite having recieved wounds that would have disabled a Roman. Aspirin, as well as being a pain killer, is a powerful anti-coagulant, so after the Celts chewed willowbark they
1) Were resistant to pain and
2) Wounds that were only minor bled much more profusely than they shjould have, giving the Roman soldiers the impression that they had put a big hole in a guy and he still kept coming, when really it was a scratch.
I'll stop now, traditional remedies interest me greatly also.
Last edited by Kahoolin; October 17th, 2005 at 05:10.
Currently, in my Psychology class in school, we're learning up about meditation ... and it's been analyzed and all that stuff, and, it can actually help improve your immune system and get you to live longer. Funny, huh?
I'll probably be taking up meditation, myself. If I can find the article we're reading in class, or get a copy of it, I'll get it to you guys.
It's a much better way to get myself to feel better than popping a pill.
steve, you just like giving your opinion
i personally believe that medicines used today that are commercially avaliable are seen as a be all end all remedy.
another point i think is important is people using the medicines (such as aspirin) to get HIGH.
really. with aspirin, it thins your blood down, and thus carrys less oxegyn. less oxegyn to your brain = you trippin.