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The Iraq Quagmire (that's a link, hence the underline).
* According to current estimates, the cost of the Iraq War could exceed $700 billion. In current dollars, the Vietnam War cost U.S. taxpayers $600 billion.
* Operations costs in Iraq are estimated at $5.6 billion per month in 2005. By comparison, the average cost of U.S. operations in Vietnam over the eight-year war was $5.1 billion per month, adjusting for inflation.
* Staying in Iraq and Afghanistan at current levels would nearly double the projected federal budget deficit over the next decade.
* Since 2001, the U.S. has deployed more than 1 million troops to Iraq and Afghanistan.
* Broken down per person in the United States, the cost so far is $727, making the Iraq War the most expensive military effort in the last 60 years.
* The number of journalists killed reporting the Iraq War (66) has exceeded the number of journalists killed reporting on the Vietnam War (63).
A New Kind of Quagmire
* More than 210,000 of the National Guard’s 330,000 soldiers have served in Iraq and Afghanistan.
* Guard mobilizations average 460 days.
* Nearly a third of active-duty troops, 341,000 men and women, have served two or more overseas tours.
Cost to Iraq
* The U.S. controls 106 military bases across Iraq. Congress has budgeted $236 million for permanent base construction in FY2005.
* At least 23,589 to 26,705 Iraqi civilians have been killed.
* On average 155 members of the Iraqi security forces have died every month since the January 2005 elections, up from an average of 65 before they were held.
* Suicide attack rates rose to 50 per month in the first five months of 2005, up from 20 per month in 2003 and 48 in 2004.
* Iraq’s resistance forces remain at 16,000-40,000 even with the U.S. coalition killing or capturing 1,600 resistance members per month.
And the World’s Less Safe
* The State Department reported that the number of “significant” terrorist attacks reached a record 655 in 2004, up from 175 in 2003.
* The Iraq War has weakened the UN’s authority and credibility.
I'm unsure of what you're trying to say with this post.
Okay, the statistics themselves are quite revealing. But without any interpretation, they're just numbers.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; October 23rd, 2005 at 22:38.
Is this supposed to be a question, or a subject on which to discuss, or are you just slapping us around with statistics and big words to make yourself seem more intelligent?:tongue:
(It's a joke, okay, a joke, don't take it seriously )
But seriously though, what are you trying to say?:huh:
This will not be something we'll really learn the full extent of for many years. Truth be told i'm interested to see how History will address the 2nd Bush administration.
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If we are to make up our opinion after reading these statistics, we need to know where they come from, the source. There is obviously a political message behind those numbers, and whoever wrote it wrote it because we wanted us to think like him. The questions we need to ask us is "Who wrote it?", "Why did he/she write it?" and "Which numbers did he/she not write?".
Sure, it's good to know, but you need the whole picture and not just some of the statistics to get a clear view and make up your mind wheter it was right or wrong.
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The Iraq effort is going well. Iraqis who were last year using terrorism and violence are now voting against the new government. Sure, they dont want a new government, but they are solving the problem in a democratic and non-violent way.
Consider the U.S.'s defeat and reconstruction of Japan. Maybe Iraq can be the same way.
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I'm mostly reluctant to respond in this thread as I see no real point in it. But some of the posts have redeemed it somewhat.
I agree the situation in Iraq is improving. Even if they determine a different path then the one that would paralel American interests at least they will have been given the opportunity to make the choice themselves.
That's one of the main reasons the terrorists have switched their main targets from Americans to the Iraqi's themselves. It's an effort to scare them into following their brand of Islam.
From all reports I've heard from American military personnel over there the Iraqi's are a fierce and determined enemy of terrorism. They may not all like Americans, but they appreciate our efforts and aren't buying what Osama or Zarqawi are selling.
As a passing nod to the topic title I would say the 'Hundred Years War' is probably a prime example of a quagmire.
Last edited by Joker; November 10th, 2005 at 20:18.