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I don't think there is an undertanding here on the choice of drug taking. If drugs were legal, peer presure alone could induce a great number of teenagers, and due to their addictive nature, it would destroy their lives. Society has to prevent such self destruction.Originally Posted by robotnik
There is no defining evidence that tougher drug laws reduce drug consumption. It is something I however believe works. I believe we need much tougher drug laws on drug distributors in Australia.
A 10 YEAR study of South Australian prisoners showed that 61% of prisoners that used marijuana are mentally ill. An amazing 95% of heroin users were mentally ill. On the other hand, alcohol showed no statistically significant rise in mentally ill prisoners.
I think we need better education on the matter, drugs are bad, mkay.
When I say legal I don't mean anyone can go down the street and buy them. Alcohol and tobacco destroy lives and they are availabe to anyone over the age of 18 (or 21 or whatever depending on where you are in the world).
My basic point is that you can't legislate against stupidity but you can educate against it. I have noticed that far less young people smoke now than used to even 10 years ago. This is because data is readily available to them. They can say "wow smoking is really stupid, I'm not going to do it."
The problem with narcotics (IMHO) is that our children's authority figures refuse to tell the kids that they are fun to take. They go on and on about how bad they are, and then a kid goes to a party, has a few drinks, takes an ecstasy tablet and guess what? They have the funnest night of their life. Then they think "hey I feel fine and that was awesome. If the adults lied about that then what else did they lie about? Maybe other drugs are fine too." Then they start taking them all the time. Then they get addicted, and because the drug is illegal that compounds any problems that addiction itself presents.
But if drugs were readily available I think kids would be able to look at the drug-addled losers who take pills every weekend or smoke bongs all the time and say "well hey, drugs are fun but they DO actually have the bad effects that the adults talk about as well. Look at my dole-bludging bong-smoking uncle. I don't want to turn out like him so I'll steer clear of pot."
I think visibility and bringing drugs into the open in society (albeit with some controls) would do wonders.Perhaps this is because addiction is sometimes classified as a personality disorder, which we have learnt in another thread is often labelled a mental illness (whether it is or not)?Originally Posted by Onlainari
EDIT: As for peer pressure, it's amazing what taking away the lure of danger and illegality does for something where teenagers are concerned. Peer presure and desire to take drugs is I would assert as often encouraged by the illegality of drugs as discouraged. It depends on the kid and their friends.
EDIT AGAIN: By the way, I JUST heard on the radio that doctors have come out and said that you can't get addicted to heroin on just one shot. That is a myth, and it takes on average a year of taking the drug to become physically dependant on it. Just in case anyone was going to say "what about heroin?"
I think drugs are bad, but people should be able to take them if they really want. We let people skydive, play contact sports, drive cars, smoke, drink, if you are in America people can shoot guns, all of these things are dangerous. But they are OK with controls. They don't have to be blanket illegal.
Last edited by Kahoolin; November 8th, 2005 at 05:43.
Legal or not, drugs have a destrcutive impact on today's society. It is easy to say that drug addict can screw themselves up if they wish, and they'll look all the more foolish. You can also say they are weak willed or mentally unstable, and might even deserve what becomes of them, but what about thier families?
Their wives, sons, daughters, brothers and mothers? They too suffer a great deal through such an ordeal, and it should not be something one or anyone should have to bear.
Making drugs legal wouldn't make it clear for the youngerm population, we see it everywhere, in the media, the community, and sometimes in our very homes.
As making the alcohol legal prevented any alcoholism? I think not, making it legal only makes it easier to acces. The need or desire to consume either from peer pressure or family related still makes frat boys die from alcohol poisoning each year, as they are encouraged by the establishment to drink 'till they drop, in an ''I can piss farther than you!'' fashioned contest.
I talk out of personnal experience, my father ruined is life through the use of drugs and alcohol, as he blinded himself in thinking he could quite when he would choose, and this as affected not only himself, but everyone around him as well, including myself.
I'm sorry to hear bout your father Wolf. I have friend who has just come out of rehab for speed addiction so I'm not totally talking about something I don't understand, though I don't have the same level of experince as you.
Assuming we keep drugs illegal I think we should at least tell the truth in our education campaigns. Not sufficiently describing why people take drugs is only half the story and any intelligent kid is going to react how I described above, "if they lied about that then I can't trust anything they say." This is how my friend got addicted, and every other person I know who has had a drug problem. I actually know quite a few as my circle of friends is very creative and so many of them are intelligent and natural risk takers.
Saying ecstasy causes "euphoria" is not enough. Kids need to be told that they'll feel happier than they EVER have before, everything will be fantastic and they will love everyone. BUT they can become addicted and prolonged use can result in depression and make it hard to feel happy without the drug. Ecstacy messes with seratonin, the brain's "happiness" chemical.
Also, kids should not be told that they'll get addicted quickly. They should be told the truth, that it could take a long time to become addicted, so it's not safe to keep taking drugs even if you feel like it is.
I blame this lie for how I started smoking when I was 17 (I have since quit). I smoked for about 2 years without feeling addicted, and because I'd been taught that smoking made you addicted like that *snaps fingers* I figured I must be too strong willed to ever become addicted. Stupid I know, but that's what drugs do. Eight years later I was still smoking.
Last edited by Kahoolin; November 9th, 2005 at 06:00.
How so?Originally Posted by onlainari
Seeing as you are statboy Onlay how about this:
364 deaths from heroin in 2002.
1723 deaths from motor vehicle accidents in the same year.
Now sure everyone drives cars but do you really think if heroin was made legal tomorrow as many people as drive cars would go out and buy heroin? I would say no. I certainly wouldn't.
Not the same thing though. every time you drive a car, and note, the chances of crashing are slim, do you damage your nervous system and brain?
every time a junkie shoots up on heroin there damaging there body.
Drugs are addictive. is driving a car an obsessive compulsive thing? does your car make you want to drive it more and more and more?
Please dont say that drugs should be legal, because saying it is stupid!
No, just the environment. Plus I might kill someone else. Of course it's not the same thing, but they are both dangerous elements in our society.Originally Posted by bonjordoActually if heroin was made legally there would no need to cut it with harmful substances. If it were legal people would not need to quit and could maintain their lifestyles on small doses.Originally Posted by bonjordo
In case you are not aware of this, overdoses are caused by junkies who have stopped taking heroin mistakenly giving themselves too much, not realizing that their tolerance has lowered. Opiates in small doses are not harmful at all, beyond their addictive qualities which as I said above only pose a problem if the drug is illegal. Many countries, for example in south east asia and victorian england, had entire populations maintaining habits of opium tea or laudanum (liquid opium) without a widespread breakdown of society. We use morphine in medicine for pete's sake!No but food is addictive. So is water. And cigarettes. And sugar and caffeine. And alcohol. Addiction only poses a problem if the substance is illegal or if the person cannot maintain their regular lifestyle. Millions of drinkers and smokers have proven that it is possible to be addicted to a recreational drug and still function.Originally Posted by bonjordo*robotnik tries to maintain his cool*Originally Posted by bonjordo
Please do not call me stupid. Maybe when you have thought about this problem as much as I have, then you can call me stupid. I am not claiming to know everything, but do you really think I would say something as controversial as this if I hadn't thought it through? I would appreciate it if we could discuss this with maturity.
And by the way, in case anyone is worried or offended, I am not saying drugs should be legalized so that weak people will kill themselves off, or something monstrous like that, I just believe that there should be a minimum of social controls on human beings.
Drugs have been intimately tied to human society for as long as anyone can remember and I think it is unrealistic to think that making them illegal will make them go away. I simply believe we should engage the question in a more thoughtful and positive manner
Well robotnik, 1st, your jumping to a conclusion that i was referring to you as stupid. i merely said the idea is stupid, not you as a human being.
why make it legal for people to destroy themselves?
Food Addictive and water addictive? nope. people eat and drink because a) you need them to survive, and b) some people eat for the stimulation of the sense. like a drug, but no, not addictive.
caffeine is a drug. drugs are generally addictive.
Last edited by bonjordo; November 8th, 2005 at 09:40.
Actually you said "saying it is stupid" which is just a re-phrasing of "you are stupid for saying it." There's not much difference between saying the ideas I hold are stupid and that I myself am stupid. But I will accept your explanation for the sake of peace. (Y)Originally Posted by bonjordoBecause I believe in the right of an individual to control as much of their own destiny as possible. I think it is everyone's basic right to control their own life. I think it is dangerous to assume that individuals are not responsible for their own actions, and I think if we are going to put something in the "not your responsibility" basket we should think about it very carefully, not just do it because it is tradition or dare I say, a fad.Originally Posted by bonjordo
I freely admit that I might be wrong about other drugs, but I know from personal experience of nicotine that my addiction was alot less damaging and my quitting easier because my drug was legal. I could get help if I asked for it without stigma. In fact I was applauded by society. This would not have been the case had nicotine been an illegal drug.OK fair enough I was being a bit facetious about the food and water. The rest of my examples still stand though.Originally Posted by bonjordo
I realize that pretty much everyone will disagree with me on this issue. That is why I didn't want to bring it up, only now I have been forced to defend my views, which is OK (Y) I just hope that everyone realizes that this thread was not started by me, but by someone else quoting something I said in another thread (out of context I might add).
I am perfectly willing to keep talking about this, but I only ask that no-one thinks any less of me for my ideas. They are only ideas remember, drugs are illegal and probably will be for a long time to come regardless of what I think on the matter
Oh and I have exams at the end of the week and have to cram so any responses I make may be sporadic at best.
Last edited by Kahoolin; November 8th, 2005 at 12:45.