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After recently watching the Ned Kelly movie (I'll never have thos 3 hrs of my life back) I was disgusted to see the way he (and events) was portrayed. Killing "evil" policmen with everyshot, protecting the civillians (who had massive casulaties in the movie, unlike real life), and all manner of such bull crap.
I have always considered Kelly nothing but a criminal, who should be remembered only to show people how bad people can be - or not even rememberd at all. Yet, in Australia he is hailed as a hero... I just don't know why. :sleep:
What do you think? Hero or Villain? And I'd better have some reasons...
Oh, and one other thing... what is with "Waltzing Matilda"? Its a nice song and all, but its about a thief who steals cattle. Why are we so enthralled with it?
Maybe he was both to different people.
There's the postmodernist in my leaking out..
I guess I don't know enough about Australian culture to really be able to comment here, maybe a culturally ingrained respect for individualism and aversion to authority. Who knows?
That film was.. strange though. I liked the fact his crappy metal armour could deflect bullets. Just ask the average late medieval knight or samurai how realistic that is..
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; December 1st, 2005 at 01:24.
It really sucked. Like people are supposed to feel sorry for him.
He - is - a - criminal. He - kills - people- and - takes - thier - money. (
That movie really ticked me off. More thoughts? Especially from the Aussies?
Yeah he was a murderer plain and simple in my estimation.
The way he is portrayed is very interesting, I think it shows alot about Australian society. The portrayal of Ned Kelly hints at the underlying social classes of Australia, which in many ways appears to be a relatively classless society, especially compared to somehwere like the UK.
I think you will find alot of middle-class people would agree with you. Go into a bikie bar though (or even just a blue collar bar) and say Ned Kelly was a murderous criminal and you are likely to get your lights punched out.
The Eureka Stockade mythos is a similar thing, and Waltzing Matilda. Many Australian folk heroes are easily able to be considered villains if you look at them the other way. I reckon this is mainly because there was a strong divide in colonial Australia between the wealthy free settlers who were protected by the military and police, and the convicts and their descendants who made up the bulk of the population. They understandably hated authority figures and would do anything they could to undermine them, and the police would like as not be more of a hassle than a help to an ex-convict trying to make a new life.Actually his armour did deflect bullets. They have it in a museum with bullets lodged in it. The thing that caused him to be captured was that he forgot to put armour on his legs, the dumbass. That and that he was v-e-r-y slow.Originally Posted by The_Giant_Mantis
The reason it worked was because it was not really "armour," designed to allow movement and provide protection, but iron ploughshares beaten into a rough breatplate and helmet shape. They were solid blocks of iron about 3-4 inches thick IIRC, so it was no wonder that bullets from a 19th century handgun bounced off them. Ned Kelly was only able to lift the stuff because he was a very big man for the time. Like I said though he was so slow and forgot to put armour on his legs so his final armoured charge was pretty much suicide. Judging by his personality though it's fair to say he probably actually thought he would get away.
Last edited by Kahoolin; December 1st, 2005 at 02:27.
Its strange how aus can view people. our unofficial anthem "Waltzing Matilda" is about Suicide, theivery and cowardice (the decision to take his own life instead of die like a man on the gallows.)
I think hes viewed as an australian "robin Hood" as such. And if people have imaginary views to look upto that are good (how he gave back to the poor etc) then let them have there beliefs.
There are really two in depth ways to view Ned...
1) a down trodden Irish imergrinet that the police picked on.....So fought back galantly.
2) Or a Irish criminal who just robbed people..
Take your pick. I think it's the second one. But I think a bit of fiction has shaped him to what he is today.:yes:
By day he fought with sword and shield.....
By night he fought with pen and parchment.....
He was....The Warrior Poet.......
Fear the ANZAC Clan!!!!!
ORDER OF THE SHADOWY FLAME!!!
Do you have uber micro...????
I think it was a traditional song, which sort of caught on. It is one of the things that Australians can grasp onto in order to maintain their sense of individualism.Originally Posted by bonjordoI believe he is hailed a hero not because he may or may not have acted like a hero, but he, as mentioned above, is a unique Australian sign. Australia has had a rather short history, spanning about two hundred and fifty years - it's no wonder why we look for any sign, no matter how great or small, that can be used to gain our place in the world.Originally Posted by Lord Yossanrion
Who is Ned Kelly ? Most discombobulating thread in the Enhanced Discussion Forum.
"Australia has had a rather short history, spanning about two hundred and fifty years" well thats the flimflam in a while. Does Australia still slaving away ?
All these complicating questions.
MEAT IS MURDER
Ummm... yes... what do you mean?Originally Posted by Nagato
Anyway, Ned Kelly was a criminal and a murderer in Australia's history. He robbed, thieved and killed with a gang of other men. Eventually he was killed. Australians have had a great debate over this seemingly significant event as to whether he was tried justly. He has become somewhat of a national hero recently.
Lord Yossanrion and a few others were just stating why they thought Ned Kelly shouldn't have been labelled a hero.