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Although I don't grace this place much any more I did have a look for this topic today, and noticed there was no mention of this subject.
I decided then to start this one, having so many antipodean LO members I was hoping for some of their viewpoints/information on what's going on down there.
Well, its been quite a constant topic in the Anzac Clan as of late. I am througly filled with disgust at these peoples actions. Disgusting. (
Saturday: Two Lebanese beat up some Volouteer life savers at Cronulla beach.
Sunday: 5000 "Aussies" attacked any Lebanese who came near Cronulla beach.
Monday: Lebanese retalieated by attacking "Aussies", 31 injured, 16 arrested, 100 cars damaged 1 man stabbed in the back.
And a text message.
"Good work on Sunday Aussie, but the War has just begun - The Lebs"
Last edited by Lord Yossanrion; December 12th, 2005 at 22:44. Reason: Satistics
I just caught a glimpse of some of the stuff going on down there, but why did the lebanese attack the life savers?
It's bad man, very bad. I'm glad you asked instead of just making up your mind though, as you probably only see bad things on the news (just like everyone else). When my brother was in the UK a few years ago he got several british people saying "Australian? You should be ashamed voting in that fascist Pauline Hanson as your PM!" He just looked at them in complete shock and pointed out that no-one voted for her and she was currently in jail. She just got such disproportionate media time overseas for her racist views that people got confused!
Anyway, it seems to be a problem based on differing cultural attitudes, as usual. Sydney has a very high lebanese immigrant population, some areas are almost excusively lebanese. There are many gangs in sydneym, lebanese, vietnamese, "aussie", etc
Last week some lebanese youths bashed life guards and members of the public on a beach in sydney. This may be hard to understand for a foreigner but lifeguards are a bit of symbol of Australia to many aussies. The lebanese kids probably didn't even think of that, they just bashed the closest authority figures who tried to get them off the beach.
The next day a text message went around sydney saying something like "calling all aussies, go down to (whatever) beach in Cronulla at (whatever) time tomorrow.
A huge crowd brewed, they started singing the national anthem, waving australian flags and calling for immigrants to go home. They then went down to the beach and bashed anyone of middle-eastern appearance. The police were caught completely off guard by the size of the group and had to use riot gear.
That night something like 1000? lebanese got in their cars and drove through cronulla with pipes and bats smashing the windows on every second car, sometimes getting out and totalling the cars and anyone who tried to stop them. To make matters worse during the riot a man was stabbed in the back by lebanese youths who were threatening to rape his girlfriend.
Another text message has gone around sydney saying "good job on sunday aussies, but the war has begun - the lebs."
This has shocked me. It's also interesting that the violence is between middle-eastern australians and white australians and no-one has even mentioned terrorism. The white aussies have been building resentment for years over the street gangs in the lebanese areas of sydney and this is what it's all about.
Lebanese people come from a culture that is in some ways the very opposite of the laid-back aussie culture. They are quick to fight for what they believe in and have a very strong sense of group identity, but they have aroused the anger of a very large group in sydney; ordinary white australians. I don't know what's going to happen and I hope it doesn't spread to other cities.
Last edited by Kahoolin; December 12th, 2005 at 22:25.
This didn't shock me at all. Australian's tend to live in the illusion that they're not racist because they live in a multicultural country. It didn't take long after I finished school for me to work out that we are generally mildly racist, and it didn't take long after that to learn that Australians get very defensive when I say this to them.
I suppose you're right. All my friends in Sydney tend to make racist comments about lebanese people and they are well educated and intelligent guys.
The problem with racism in Australia, is that it's based on stereotypical observations of those groups in Australia. Although I don't doubt that the majority of people of Lebanese origins are very nice people, you cannot deny that there is a significant, and loud, group of them that make the news, and color everyone else's opinions of them. The same goes for any ethnic group in Australia (and undoubtedly any other country in the world). The other major problem is that because of the Affirmative Action and Equal Opportunity movements that are so rampant in the world, minorities or ethnic groups, like the Lebanese, do not consider themselves to be Australian unless it is in their best interests. This provokes division and discrimination. Disturbingly, even those people who were born in this wonderful country, do no consider themselves Australian in most circumstances.
Even Australian's have a bad reputation in some parts of the world. For instance, Australian's are very much despised in Germany around the time of Oktoberfest, sinply because their experience with Aussies is that they are loud, obnoxious, and dangerous drunks, who get so drunk, every day, that they ruin any festivities that were happening.
This will be a rather unpopular opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, if a person considers themself to be something other than Australian, in order to benefit in some way, and who then cause trouble in the name of their "country" should be deported to that country, simply because they are not, at heart, Australian; and they do not deserve to live in a country that allows the freedom to live without fear of persecution for any belief.
If a major crime is commited, by a "foreigner" in this country, it is possible to deport a person back to their country of origin. When a person is in possession of Australian Citizenship, they are instead sent to jail. When a person is an Australian Citizen, but doesn't think of themselves as anything other than a member of a minority, it seems that they are given carte blanche, because we don't want to offend a minority.
Last edited by mpdscott; December 13th, 2005 at 04:00.
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I agree, the problem comes from aussies born and bred who for some reason have ridiculous national pride for a country they have in many cases never even been to. I'm talking about young 2nd (or later) generation immigrants.
If you talk to 1st generation immigrants (such as my father) who have come from another country and become citizens here, they will often identify as Australian. But talk to their kids, who have never even left Australia, and you often get stupid remarks like "I'm Greek/Lebanese/Scottish/Viet first, Australian second." I reckon it's about teenagers looking for an identity, which all teenagers do, but if they are the children of migrants they have a ready-made identity to cling to.
Go to the LO music clan if you want to see a benign example of how people allow one aspect of their life (in this case what sort of music they like) define who they are.
To these idiots (on both sides) rioting in Sydney there are "aussies" and "lebs" and it always has been a war to see who owns which parts of Sydney. Only now it's finally spilled over into the wider community.
I'm positive someone (innocent) is going to get killed. I really am.Very true.This didn't shock me at all. Australian's tend to live in the illusion that they're not racist because they live in a multicultural country. It didn't take long after I finished school for me to work out that we are generally mildly racist, and it didn't take long after that to learn that Australians get very defensive when I say this to them.