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I feel as though I'm spamming these forums with a massive 3 threads already... but this one I genuinely cant ask in off-topic discussion.
I'm doing a survey for school and decided to post it up here.
If our government decided that dying junkies on streets was a problem and set up centres where the junkies could legally take marijuana in relative safety without dying of dirty syringes and lack of food would you see this as an incentive to begin taking marijuana? would you decide to take marijuana because of it? would you allow children below 18 to use these centers or would you have them dying in the streets and not the adults? if so how young would the limit be? do you agree or disagree with legalised marijuana centres?
As far as I'm aware centres where people can go and smoke weed already exist, they're called "almost every house in the Western world". Also, since when has marijuana use on it's own caused tides of people dying in the streets?
If what you're talking about is centres where smackheads can get hold of free, clean needles and mainline, or where crackheads can sit in a corner and toot up, I wouldn't object to it. Most bag-rats who are so strung out that they shoot up in the streets are beyond saving or rehabilitating anyway, the best thing you can do for them is to try and stop them killing themselves and keep teir habits away from other people. I wouldn't see the centres as an incentive to start shooting up or tooting up, but you might find people who are curious who go along to see what it's like, and there's bound to be people there to take advantage of that curiosity. Not too sure about kids, but if they're strung out as well then you can't really turn them away can you, or like you said they'll just end up dying on the streets instead.
Clean syringes and Marijuana in the same sentence, I dont think thereÂ´s marijuana in those syringes I can tell you that
But hell, having a place where one could get marijuna and being legal isnt something I would oppose thats for sure
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Or stem the tide for that matter?Originally Posted by Heathen
I have a cousin who suffered a psychotic episode on marijuana (and yes, only marijuana) it totally changed him overnight. He very nearly had to be sectioned, and has never recovered. Despite that, however, I'm fairly balanced.
A lot of my friends smoke, and from them I have to say, it seems a little like hypnosis. What you go in with affects you. Someone who is happy, healthy and otherwise balanced can probably smoke marijuana moderately without any ill effects, but there is a percentage of the population for whom it makes whatever is going on in their head manifest, and the results can be terrible. My psychiatrist once warned me never to start smoking, and I don't plan to.
So I guess governments have a choice. Is it worth giving people the option to do something which may enhance their lives and accept the small possibility that it might harm a few of them? After all, we already did that with alcholol (and I know significantly more people whose lives have been harmed or even ruined by alcholol than by marijuana, but I also know a lot of people, myself included, who use alcohol with few ill effects save the occasional day of sickness.)
Personally, I say if you really want to get rid of junkies, invest in better rehab.. introduce laws so people can be 'sectioned' in rehab, strapped down and actively forced to go cold turkey instead of volunteering. There's no point in my mind trying to give people a half life on meth, and probably even less point in trying to use marajiuana to counteract the effects of heroin or crack addiction. People who are in withdrawl can't rationalise their needs or say 'ooh, I know, I'll just go down the centre and smoke a bit of weed to calm me down.' In the worst cases, they'll probably feel too sick to walk, or worse, will have lost orrifice control. These kinds of people won't even be able to get to the designated area.
Even those who make it through immediate withdrawl, and very few do, are going to spend the rest of their lives trying to resist the urge to go out and shoot up. Maybe they would be helped by these centres, but to be honest, is it really wise to take someone like that and surround them with a bunch of fellow ex-junkies all of whom have the same temptation?
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; May 4th, 2006 at 18:22.
I am a fairly Conservative person both socially and economically, but I am all for the legalization of marajuana.
I live in British Columbia, home of BC bud, and while I don't smoke, I have plenty of fiends that do. I don't deny the dangers of pot, but our western governments are very hypocritical about this issue. If you ban pot, you must by the same argument ban Alcohol. Booze is more dangerous overall than pot IMO, and we weren't able to stop people from drinking, and we can't stop people from smoking. It should be up to individuals if they want to risk their own bodily harm in a reasonable way. (I am not for the legalization of harder drugs, but like ideas like safe injection sites). Should we ban mountain biking, kite surfing or skateboarding? All of these can hurt you, but they are legal.
If we make marajuana legal in the same way we make booze legal, we will take the control and money out of the hands of criminals, and into the hands of companies and governments. It isn't a perfect scenario, but better than the way it is now.
To me education is the key. I had a long personal battle with Alcohol, and it was because I came to realize how bad it was for me, how much I needed to quit and that I could get help for my addiction that I had the strength to quit. If someone had told me that booze was illegal, I would have found some way to procure it regardless. Someone who smokes up should not be a criminal, just like I was not a criminal for being an Alcoholic.
Last edited by Diggums Hammer; May 4th, 2006 at 21:02.
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What about risking bodily harm to someone else? Or someone elses property?Originally Posted by Diggums Hammer
Should that be up to you because you decided that 'it's okay if I smoke a little pot'?
What level of bodily harm to another individual could be considered reasonable because you were high?
I can't speak legal terms, but I'd imagine this is an underlying principle on why drinking and driving is illegal, while simply drinking is not.
Y'know, I don't care you get all ****ed up on blaze or booze, but the moment you run over a kid because you were too drunk to control your vehicle, or you decide to beat the **** out of someone because you were stoned and were hallucinating, or when you decide it'll be cool to come near me while you're drunk or high, I'll be up in arms. And you'll be recieving a 900,000 volt greeting.
I agree with you MobiusPrime, and I think you make great points.
Personally, I don't smoke or do drugs, and I don't plan to. I think its not the worth the effects it has on your body.
About having centers to help you inject marijuana with clean needles and the such, I think that's a bad idea. It would incourage the use of drugs, which IMHO is bad. Sure, you may think that its that persons fault for doing it, and harming their body, but people make mistakes and do stupid things, which they shouldn't always be punished for. Also, they could harm other people like MobiusPrime pointed out.
Ok this is a survey for a school debate im doing. I have never been drunk/high so I cant give any personal experiences. I know marijuana isnt that lethal but my teacher picked it and I cant change it so marijuana it is.
Thankyou Inquisitor_Hause for finally bringing up the other side of the debate. If we set up these areas then the level of drug intake will rise dramatically once its legal (or at least thats what my survey is trying to work out whether it will or not).
Imagine a 5 year old walks up to one if these centers and asks to take marijuana. Would you let someone that young do it? of course not (I hope). So the 5 year old sits out side taking marijuana and dies. Why would we let young children die of it and save adult junkies?
If they were to make it legal, then I think the person taking it would have to be a certain age.