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Yeah, I know before we start; I'm not expert on it and this is bound to have a host of grammatical errors and spelling mistakes but.. my point will stand.
So.. I was on a chat site, I got a message and this is what it read:
"Jst Fort Ad Say Hello!"
Now, this was not MSN or IRC or a text message where you are rushed or have limited character space; nothing like that but a chat site. This person had plenty of time to articulate a reply or response into a correct English sentence. But they didn't. Why? Because this way was quicker and easier, apparently. This got me thinking. I have seen this sort of thing too often and have even had problems in a conversation where I found it impossible to decipher the words and in turn the entire sentence.
Then I got told on MSN by a friend [In English as I cannot type how it was said] "I think it's cute how you type out all the words!" Now.. cute? Odd, I thought it was just common sense. Now, do I do this to be snobbish? Do I do it to prove intelligence? No. I do this as it was how I was taught, how I know how to write and the only way I will write. I cannot see handing in a piece of work into college, university, work or whatever with it written all in shorthand and/or in "leet". I somehow think that would just deserve a kick in the teeth. Or a brick - depends what's at hand so to speak.
No, it is not snobbery to write out the words; it's how you should be taught. I am so very much glad I am not an English Language teacher or student and saw something like that, I can so very much imagine them tearing chunks of matted hair out by the end of it all. I'm not saying everyone must write in perfect English, with proper grammar and punctuation but I am saying people should at least type out the words. The only time I do consider altering the words is when I either have; A - lack of time and need to say something quickly or B - Lack of character space. Otherwise, I write like this. Over MSN - are you in a race? Do you really need to type that quickly and so shorthand? Or is it because people are so use to texting via mobile phones that this has become a norm?
I think that is the source of it. Mobile phones, computer gaming and perhaps how language has evolved. Now days do we really say "I have not .."? No, it's usually "I ain't.." or something to that effect. Our culture and society have butchered the language that we speak, certain slang terms can now be found in the Oxford Dictionary* now days as they are so commonly used. Has it really come to this? A language that took centuries to form and is a hybrid of at least three languages [that I can recall] more likely even more; that is taught to almost every other country in the world as it is basically a 'common tongue' how does it come down to "Jst Fort Ad Say Hello". Strange as it may seem, I see this as a bad thing. =( This is bad, why? Simple, if the English language is being taught all over the world to those who are none native English speakers [i.e. a second or third language] then how must they feel when they are confronted with such an example of "leet" speak? If I, as a native speaker, cannot read half of what it says what hope do they have? If you are posting in a place where there will be non native speakers then the very least you can do is remember those lessons you should have been learning at school. I'll give a hint, it was in a class called "English Language"; well in my case it was and is still used as so to my knowledge.
I know, it may seem hypocrisy of me writing this; as, if you bothered to look, I use abbreviations and even acronyms for terms. I do this often via MSN, IRC and the like because it is easier. But I will use only certain terms and they are very common - "OMG", "BRB", "BBIAB", "WTF" etc Because yes, I can be lazy and not bothered to type it out properly but in my defence I do only use these types of acronyms. I do not, however, remove a random letter or miss off part of a word because it would take me a whole nano-second longer. I have no problem with people who miss out the capitalisation of words or don't use proper English [such as; "Jane, Jack and I" compared to "Me, Jane and Jack" etc] as long as it is eligible. If I am chatting with you, I do not want to have to get out a dictionary and a secret code decipher - this is not the military where you are passing state secrets to the opposition** I want to be able to see and read straight from looking at it what you are saying without wondering whether you mean a singular or plural term.
I think I have ranted enough; this has been on my mind for a while and just had to get it off my chest. So if you read this, have your say. Lets see both sides of the coin.
* [Don't ask me what they are though]
** [As far as I am aware it's not; though if you are.. cool! I think]
[PS. Some smart arse is bound to point out a mistake or two here or a flaw in my rant. Go on; get it over and done with. I'm not perfect but at least it's readable.]
I would have to agree, though language is intended to expeditiously transfer thoughts and ideas and it could be said that contractions are faster.
Language has no right to exist as it does, it evolves all the time. The english of Shakespeare would sound slow and archaic even to you/me KU.
Myself I set challenges to use english to the fullest and use words which others use more infrequently, there are dozens of ways to say a sentance, why use the same one each time?
I'm also cursed with the habbit of vocaly correcting people who say 'me and Jack' which can often be a bad thing.
On LO most recently i've noticed alot of spelling mistakes not to do with mistyping or spelling which Spell Check will catch. People are using the wrong words entirely i.e 'The roll of Tactical Marines....' I would say something, but it looks pedantic and mean.
Every time you read this sig: a fairie dies!
Vent your feelings and get one of those Sig movies telling people to "Type out your DAMN words." I think I saw another member around here with one.
But you know, as bad as text type and that gets, 133t 5p33k is always going to tick me off much more.
... only triumph could turn pooing his pants into a good thing..
I am thankful that I have never truely aquired the habit of abbrieviation in communications.
I was taught the Queen's English, and so it is the Queen's English that I type. Even in text messages I cannot get into the hang of abbreviation or 1337 5p33k, and so I am much more likely to use up a couple of messages to say what I need to, instead of the 3 lines that others use.
In some ways this is a burden, I am most definately not one of the "cool" people, and when replying to messages, it takes me longer to type in my short thoughts than it takes to get my phone out of my pocket, but I can make myself more readily understandable by doing so. Despite these "limitations" I have had placed on my vocabulary (Thank you English Teachers), I can still manage to type at around 50 words, legible words mind, per minute with a very high degree of accuracy. I am able to respond with in depth analysis or concepts in the same lenght of time it takes someone else to type in "I h8 ppl th@ us 1337 or txt 5p33k whn thrs no n33d" (geez I hated writing that nonsense).
I dare say that my English born mother would not hesitate to disembowel and/or dismember my poor body if I were to be caught using excessive abbreviation, merely to make myself more understood to the moronic multitudes. Hell, I might feel inclined to do it myself.
Mysterious Member of the ANZAC Clan
O0o0o0o0.... th15 thr34d r0x0rz my b0x0rz...
In an approving way. I'm not a fan of 1337 speak, I only tend to use it ridicule people. I didn't think anyone took it seriously any more (although it did have a more serious use when it was first devised).
So far as the broader idea of English as something that is slowly being destroyed, I'm not so sure. There's a part of me that wants to pound the Spaniard that introduced "armor" and "color" into the American language into the dirt, but at the same time languages evolve and change. I personally can't stand much of it (particularly American English, NORMALCY IS NOT A WORD!), but it happens and it has a right to happen. The only language that doesn't change in various ways is a dead language, and variety is the spice of life. Granted abbreviations and the like may dumb down the original linguistic inheritance of words (such as the German, Latin, French and Greek that make up English), but why should this matter? Language is a tool, not much else. An ornate tool yes, but should we really make it a museum piece?
I wouldn't call it "making it a musuem piece." Just keeping English the way it is so I can understand it.
... only triumph could turn pooing his pants into a good thing..
People that use the 'evolution' of a language as an excuse annoy me too.
'1337' has it's place, as does binary or specific jargon such as legalese, but it isn't necessary when you have time to compile your thoughts.
The average vocabulary is not increasing much, nor evolving, just the form of communication is changing and the death of well thought out conversation is being expidited.
It isn't snobbery KUF, it's just good sense and the need for clarity.
Good for you for waving the flag.
That's not to say that ambiguity doesn't occur, or humour can't be found from things like homonyms and such. I love to play with the language, change it and such, but 1337 is taking a sledgehammer where a chisel is needed.
Last edited by Jon Quixote; October 23rd, 2006 at 15:53.
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So the rest of the world can go to hell. Here at LO, we'll keep and maintain a bastion of good spelling and properly structured, grammatical sentences!
ninjabackhand: point and click, again, really? even after i give you an military term "shock tactic" you still call it point and click.
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Yay for standard English!
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