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Should flag burning be legal or illegal? The U.S had a debate on this a while back. What do you think?
Burning a flag should be illegal.
I say this because it is just rediculouse if you want to burn your countrys flag that you live in. If people decide to burn there countrys flag they do this because they have a problem with it then they should just move out of the country.
Another reason why I say this is because. There are veterans and soldiers that fought and fight for our country. Well why do they fight you may ask? They are fighting because it is what they believe in. It is not whether they don't want to or they were drafted it is that they love our country and trying to keep the county free from harm. Imagine if you were a veteran and saw somone burning your country's flag. You would most likily go off on that person. Veteran are probably some of the most important people in the society defending their country for what they believe in.
That is why I think flag burning should be illegal.
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In congress in the U.S when this was up the justices (supreme court judges) (9 of them) voted 5 to 4 5 voted it to be legal.
Personally I think that flag burning just shouldn't take place, in any country. It is a show of supreme disrespect. The only exception to this is when retiring a flag. Atleast in the USA, you cut it into the separate parts and burn them separetly. The problem with flag vuring is that is is literally like destroying the symbol of the country. Techniquely you aren't supposed to let flags touch the ground. Destroying state/country plants, birds, money and other symbols is illegal, so why shouldn't destroying flags which are much more a symbol of the nation/state?
Originally Posted by The Paint Monkey
usually only people burn flags because they REALLY have a problem with what is currently going on.
I think that flag burning is wrong. It is a sign of EXTREME disrespect to anybody who considers themselves American, and who is in the armed forces over in Iraq
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It depends on if you're a citizen of said country, or you're a victim of said country.
I think it's scary that people slate religion so much, yet openly state, 'you're not allowed to let the flag touch the floor'. I didn't realise Americanism had religion-esque practices such as this.
I think it shows deep seated problems within the psyche of the country as a whole when people can get so emotional over what is essentially a piece of cloth.
That said, I think it's a pointless venture and it's done purely to inflame and hurt people's feeling - which is never a good thing. One can make a much more effective statement without being so offensive.
I think if it happens in a foreign country, then people need to ask themselves, WHY is it happening?
And no, the answer does not lie with NBC, BBC, ABC, FOX, THe Times, The Sun etc etc etc
There is a very interesting episode of futarama which I suggest you watch - where Zoidberg eats a flag and the earthicans want to kill him.
While it's one of the worst episodes due to the boring America freedom democracy freedom freedom spiel in it, it raises some interesting points.
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So wait, if you don't like where you live, you should just move?Originally Posted by The Toon
Sure.. I guess, if there wasn't such a thing as immigration control, if we all had loads of money to go start a new life and if everyone spoke the same language.. But sadly, the world isn't like that. So sorry, we can't leave, and you can't impose mandatory affection for the place you live. That affection has to be earned.
I think it's laughable if a free society is so obsessed with symbolism that it gets all excited when someone attacks what is, basically, a symbol. Symbols are important yes, but noone lives or dies on them. At the end of the day, you can use a flag to sell toothpaste if you want.. or have it printed on toilet roll, and noone's going to be any worse off.Veterans fought because they got paid money to do it. It's a job, it's not a sacred duty, at least, no more than any other job. Are we going to ban people from burning effigies of mickey mouse because of those brave people at Disney helping the American economy by exporting mass produced childrens entertainment all over the world?Originally Posted by The Toon
And you can't get arrested by burning a Swastika in front of a Nazi, so why the hell should you get arrested for burning a flag in front of a veteran? It's a free society, and noone's beliefs are unquestionable or untouchable. Ideologically, we're all equal, and the guy who burns a flag has as much right to express his beliefs as the guy who waves it.
Last edited by The_Giant_Mantis; November 30th, 2006 at 01:39.
As far as I understand it, burning the flag in the US is a crime, punishable by incarceration. However in Australia it isn't (although there are plans to change it). I can kind of understand the attitude of the US based on the intense symbolism that has been placed on The Flag, but it's still just a piece of material made in Taiwan.
One of the bigger fallacies that people believe, with regards to "The Flag", is that people die for the flag. No-one dies for a piece of material, no matter what it has on it. People die for the ideal that is represented BY the piece of material, not the material itself. When it comes down to it, as long as people believe in the ideal behind the piece of material, it doesn't matter whether it is the Stars&Stripes, Ultramarines 5th Company Standard or the Slaaneshi Rapturous Standard; they will fight for that ideal.
Should burning the Flag be illegal? I really don't think it matters. It will still happen whether or not it is illegal. Afterall, technically it's illegal to kill people, but it still happens; it's illegal to lie in court, but it still happens. People will still burn the flag in protest of something (or everything) that their particular country is doing or planning on doing.
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although i do consider flag burning, for any country, not just America, an extreme disrespect, not only to what the nation stands for, but also it is almost an insult to its inhabitants.
However i would MUCH rather have people burn a flag to show a protest then say have them blow up a building in Oklahoma City, or something like that.
I find putting limits on flag burning to be a limit on free speech, which I am strongly against.
This is kind of rehashing what some others have said, but when you look at it in perspective, is flag burning that awful? It won't make the deeds of heroes any less important, no one dies to it (unless someone flies off the handle about it), and basically it's a way to make a strong, non-violent statement.
That being said I have no interest in burning a flag, but seeing someone do so makes me take notice and ask why they are so upset.
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There are a lot of ways to show protest, citing one's freedom of expression rights. Many are acceptable. Some are not.
Blowing up buildings is generally not an accepted form of protest. This happens like every other day though.
Speaking of burning, a guy recently burned himself to death in protest to the Iraq war. An explosive form of protest mirroring that of Tibetan monks in (I think) Vietnam many years ago. Too bad he wasn't seen or found till days later. But that is also considered a socially and legally inappropriate way to show your disdain for something.
Burning flags, printing religiously offensive cartoons and screaming "Death to (insert favorite country or politician here)" are all ridiculous ways to protest or otherwise abuse their free speech rights to express an opinion that aren't even acceptable on a moral level, much less when discussing legality. Find a constructive way to express your opinion. Just because you are mad and there isn't a law against it doesn't make it right.