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I was thinking about this today, and made an interesting observation.
I am in a fraternity, (see subtitle), Pi Kappa Alpha to be specific. there are 13 fraternitys in the interfraternity counsil. Bascally they make the rules regulating everything about the houses. (unfortunetly my house is most hated by the ifc and we have been on probation for 6 years now and we dont ever plan on being off)
anywho. In all of the 13 houses, 14 including the one that lost its charter, there is not a single african american brother, all other ethnicities are represented. Now obviously there are no rules prohibiting this.
However on campus there is also the nphc
The National Pan-Hellenic Council (NPHC) is currently composed of nine African-American international fraternities and sororities: Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc., Delta Sigma Theta Sorority, Inc., Zeta Phi Beta Sorority, Inc., Iota Phi Theta Fraternity, Inc., Kappa Alpha Psi Fraternity, Inc., Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Inc. Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity, Inc. and Omega Psi Phi Fraternity, Inc
In these houses there is not a single member that is another ethnicity than African-American. Why is this ? well these fraternitys are not truely fraternites and are under a seperate governing body.
To me this seems wrong. Is there anyone else that is at odds with this.
"1. You will be treated differently, suck it up, it happens to everyone somewhere."
Perhaps this philosephy is shared by the fraternities at your university?
I must agree.. it's bizarre.
I had this concept of Fraternities explained to me in Japan, but I'll admit I still don't really get it, and it only seems to crop up on bad American college based comedy shows, which I don't watch. Therefore, if I get something wrong, I'm sorry.
Anyway, my question was, how do the African American fraternities view this state of affairs? Is it seen as something instigated by the standard fraternaties through unspoken racism, or is the formation of African-American only fraternities a countercultural choice in its own right? Do black people join black fraternties because they feel they wouldn't be accepted in the others, or because it's seen as a positive thing to be a member of a black fraternity.
I think it's relevant.. because there's a difference between racism as an external force against the individual and the formation of racially exclusive subcultures. At the end of the day, its still segregation, but it's harder to incorporate a person who wants to be excluded than a person who doesn't want to be, but is.
In response to the first comment. yes they would be treated differently, (like the fat kid in our pledge class, his nickname is big country LOL). UNTIL the decided to pledge. Once they decide that they want to be a brother anyone is treated the same way. UNLESS you piss off some actives, then its a little harder on you but more fun. Right now, im the pledge that has to carry in the kegs cause i told an active i could so he said prove it.
And in response to mantis. yes it is completely their choice. Here we have a rush process where you visit all of the houses supervised by a recruitment counselor and for a certain amount of time. But none of the african americans went through this process. Not one. Its completely their choice, I guess my question is i dont know why they have formed their own fraternities instead of joining the ones already in place.
And finally A fraternity is not like what you see in the movies. Yeah we have crazy parties, illegal substance abuse, alcoholism, but thats not what its about. Its just what happens when you live with all of your best friends int he whole wide world.
A fraternity is about just that your brothers.
You seem to make constant efforts to remind people on LO that you belong to a frat.. Ill say this once, that does not make you 'cooler' than anyone..(you seem to think it does).
In fact if you yourself are among those using drugs, then if anything you're more of a loser than most here..
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What? ok. Actually that is not what i was talking about. If thats what i wanted i would just put on my pike shirt and walk around campus.
But thats not what it is about. O well anyway i was just asking for someone else's point of view on my observation. Unfortunetly i only got one.
Hmm well got finalls to study for cheers.
No no.. I wasnt implying most people here are losers, not at all.. I was stating that if he participates in, or condones that sort of illegal stuff, then he is indeed the opposite of what he seems to think he is (cooler than everyone).
In any case he shouldnt be glorifying the use of illegal drugs on LO. If thats ok by you, then surely me taking a shot at him is too..
Where did it come from? As an Aussie, I have a natural tendancy to put people back in their place when they act like their better than others..
A guy with a sig stating 'Deek, better than sex' fits that bill.. Plus the whole frat thing.
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Well, I won't go into the whole bit, but I see a lot of segregation myself. I live in North Carolina, fairly southern. Either way, I was thinking through the topic myself one day. I came to a bit of a conclusion. I looked at all of my good friends, they are all white. Now, I'm no racist, but then I thought, well, maybe it has to do with how you identify, or what kind of people you like you be around. Sorry, it's hard to explain my thought process I know, but, if I was looking to join a fraternity, I would feel a bit uncomfortable if I visited a house and it was all black members (I'm white btw). Not because I feel anything bad towards them, but I'd feel awkward and intimidated. And depending on the culture in those parts, may or may not identify with them much. I guess what I'm trying to say is that maybe the segregation you're seeing is a result of circumstance and culture. I hope this makes sense, and apologize if I've offended anyone.
"If you can wait til I get home, then I swear we can make this last."
Its wierd all the Americans I met at Uni didn't belong to Fratanerities back in the States (they used to come over for one year then go back to their Uni's in the US).
Do you think there is something about the Frat system that not only segregates but also narrow your world view (that is to say you only want to stay with your Frat buuddies)?
I also don't get the whole your Frat becomes your brothers thing. I have three brothers. No one would become my brother merely by living in the same house and going to the same parties.