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    Moral Dichotomy - The Double Standard

    Moral Dichotomy or The Moral Double Standard.

    "That's okay, as long as it doesn't effect me directly."

    This subject had come up in another thread, and I felt it best to continue it's discussion in it's own topic.

    Now, previously, we had been discussing moral dichotomy as it relates to the Adult Entertainment Industry (read: porn). However, Moral dichotomy is really more of a global issue, it effects everyone everywhere, and it encompases all constructs of society : War, polution, prostitution, corruption....the list is truly endless.

    So discussion of it should be equally diverse. Different folks will better see it applied to different things.

    But, please keep the discussion PG-13. We don't need a tirade on "how society discriminates against practitioners of XXX" in graphic detail. You can say it clean and keep it out of the gutter for our younger members.

    You might ask: "Carot, the issue can't really be resolved so why discuss it?"

    The answer is easy : "Understanding fellow member, understanding."

    "You know something better for knowing it by it's name"

    Being from various walks of life, we all see different issues. And we balk at the fact that our fellows don't see them as clearly. "Wouldn't the world be a better place if they saw it from My view" we think to ourselves. So it betters us to hear from others, their views on social concepts. The personal view is not the public view and both may exist while constantly banging heads.

    So' I'll begin with our previous discussion: Moral dichotomy as it relates to the Adult Entertainment Industry.

    Previously, we had discussed how one person might partake of Adult Entertainment. But once confronted with it in reality (in this case, discover a relative in it's employ), shun it's presence. And then, of course, still believe that they are in the right.

    In my opinion, that's a horrible thing. Regardless of relation, people should have respect for each others choices in life. Especially if you're one who "uses" that particular area.

    The concept of : "That's okay, as long as it doesn't effect me directly." is appaling when confronted personally from a distance.

    But, for someone somewhere, it does effect them directly, and it's okay. Are they better than those that, to quote, "throw the first stone". Or is there something more there, a reason why, an excuse.

    What are your thoughts?
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    I don't know that your particular example with porn is TRULY a moral double standard...
    People MAY be okay with things in the abstract that they feel differently about when it becomes a personal issue.

    For example;
    Abortion. While I feel that people should have the right to control their own reproduction processes, I personally don't think I could ever ask my wife to have one (especially now that we have a child).

    It isn't a double standard. In this case it's an acknowledgment that what I see as (perhaps a bad solution to a terrible situation) someone's personal right isn't right for me.

    Porn is another issue that is very grey. In many cases people who are in professional porn (or the sex trade in general) are emotionally damaged in some way. Studies have shown that many women who turn to prostitution have been the target of molestation in the past. Same with pro-porn.

    Now with the internet and 'amataur' porn the issue is a bit more clouded. How much of it is just two people having a bit of fun? How much is people being cowed, used, abused, or filmed without consent?

    I'm not personally a huge porn fan, and I know it fulfills a need in some people's lives. I certainly wouldn't want a family member involved, not just because I find it a bit gross, but because of what else their involvement might mean on a grander scale.

    It is true that many people have a 'not in my back yard' attitude to many things, porn certainly being one of them. But I don't know if, in most cases, it's truly a double standard. I guess I wish that most people were a little less "certain" in their beliefs. Room to second guess is healthy.

    There would be a lot less extremism if people just thought a bit more. (a bit off topic, I know )
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    KITTENS GIVE MORBO GAS! theyak's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by artificer View Post
    I guess I wish that most people were a little less "certain" in their beliefs. Room to second guess is healthy.

    There would be a lot less extremism if people just thought a bit more. (a bit off topic, I know )
    http://www.librarium-online.com/foru...tml#post841599

    A lot of what you said is pretty much hitting right on what I was talking about.

    I think this is going to be semantics, but I think being "certain" and knowing what you stand for and understanding your feelings is where people need to be. Through self examination of motivations and other factors involved with the whole moral dichotomy. I think people get in trouble NOT understanding what they would do, or by lack of empathy excluding the possibility that for some people its "right for them", but "not for me" until it smacks them in the face with a truely beween a rock and a hard place. Usually its a conflict of internal interests.
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    Moral dichotomy in the adult industry is a difficult example for many. Because it also brings up the subject of human sexuality, which many are uncomfortable discussing in public.

    But how about in conflict?

    Nobody wants war, but there's always some group trying to bump off some other group. Conflict seems to be permanently ingrained into human nature.

    But war seems to be a preferred tool for political power. People hate war. Why do governments use it so readily?

    You ask any 1 person, anywhere (you can ask a member of Al-quida). They'll say war is terrible. But the moment you get them together in a group, everybody is itching for a fight. People want a common enemy on a subconscious level. That's a bit strange, a bit beyond the scope of anything moral.

    Polution.

    Everyone is for better recycling. But in a group situation the concept falters, fails. It's like morals get diluted once they encounter large numbers.

    Few have the willpower to carry a moral concept to full completion, those that do tend to have something else in mind (Hitler started out as a proponent for economic reform).

    I didn't say we had to rant on about the XXX industry, I was just using it as a starting point. I'm curious to what other places people see this in. And why they think it occurs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carot View Post
    Moral dichotomy in the adult industry is a difficult example for many. Because it also brings up the subject of human sexuality, which many are uncomfortable discussing in public.

    But how about in conflict?

    Nobody wants war, but there's always some group trying to bump off some other group. Conflict seems to be permanently ingrained into human nature.

    But war seems to be a preferred tool for political power. People hate war. Why do governments use it so readily?

    You ask any 1 person, anywhere (you can ask a member of Al-quida). They'll say war is terrible. But the moment you get them together in a group, everybody is itching for a fight. People want a common enemy on a subconscious level. That's a bit strange, a bit beyond the scope of anything moral.
    I think its important to point out, first of all that I believe you are talking aobut "everybody" in a general sense, not just extremist groups.

    I think the point made here is perspective. Any group, fundamentlist, or otherwise has one point of view, their own, whether they acknowledge others is a different story, but mainly that eveyone sees things from their own perspective and in basic terms we think we are right, or we wouldn't be following that path. Any group that has its perspective threatened, challenged or otherwise even attacked wants to defend it. In some cultures and general philosophies of practice destruction of your enemy IS defense.

    For your example, you can even apply the perspective of "good". We touched on this a bit in the "flag burning" thread. The perspective of good, nobody thinks they are "bad" or doing "evil things" Like, I'd bet most people in general will think terrorists ore "bad" or "evil" while the sub-culture that they(the terrorists) belong to will be the first to probably advocate that they are indeed good, and pursuing a greater adjenda, and that they feel so strongly about it that they will do anything for that.

    The same can be said about patriotism. Take the US revolution, I'd bet that back in the 1775/76 that the very same argument could be made about the "rebels" freedom fighters and the empire trying to maintain control. Perhaps not "evil" but I'm sure the oposing sentiments about eachother weren't particularly in line.

    Perspective.
    Quote Originally Posted by Carot View Post
    Polution.

    Everyone is for better recycling. But in a group situation the concept falters, fails. It's like morals get diluted once they encounter large numbers.
    See, I think in this point its about convenience, people LIKE the concept of recycling and what they mean by "better" recycling is more CONVENIENT recycling. Where the individual doesn't have to give a damn about how they throw their trash away, but something or one else takes care of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carot View Post

    Few have the willpower to carry a moral concept to full completion, those that do tend to have something else in mind (Hitler started out as a proponent for economic reform).
    Well, that was his platform anyhow, and he acheived his adjenda through manipulation and ruthlessness. I'd bet if you went back in time and asked him... are you "evil" he'd most assuredly say no(and then have you executed for questioning his authoritaa).
    now, what the rest of the world thinks of him? That's a whole nother story.

    Quote Originally Posted by Carot View Post

    I didn't say we had to rant on about the XXX industry, I was just using it as a starting point. I'm curious to what other places people see this in. And why they think it occurs.

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