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The house was getting hectic, and I wanted to get some time away to work on my never-finished 40k army. SO I headed down to the local GW shop and pulled up a chair to the painting table.
I had simple goals, touching up the paint on my Basilisk and beginning the basecoat on my new Leman Russ. It was between coats and my legs were getting tired, so I stood up for a second to stretch. I glanced about to see what everybody else was up to.
A thirteen year old was sitting across from me, painting his WFB Skaven. The twenty-something college kid who was running the shop was playing WFB with a fourteen year old, Chaos on Chaos. I looked out at all the frenzied Christmas shoppers ignoring the store in the mall, and for just a second got a look at the store through their eyes... And that's when it hit me. I'm "that old fart" at GW.
Now, I'm a father of two pushing forty, and my oldest is older than either of the kids in the shop. I was introduced to the hobby by a co-worker, and enjoy the game for the game. I'm there for the hobby, the painting and the game, and not to spend time with other people's kids for whatever reason :x . It was a creepy feeling, for a minute, to stop and think about what the parents of the kids in the shop might think if they saw "The Old Fart" in the store...
So here's a question. What's been your experience with "The Old Farts" at your local store? Are you "him"? Have your parents ever mentioned "him"? Does he bother you? What's the angle from other people's point of view?
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One of my local hobbystores has an "old fart." He runs and sets up most of the games. On the whole he's a nice guy and I respect him a lot. But it took some getting used to, but you just have to treat everyone as equals who all share a love of a game. Treat the kids like regular people, and I think you'll do fine. Be sure not to be too dodgy around parents. One hint though, don't assume you know everything in the rulebook because you are old. Don't be too stuck in the old ways, don't always kill things just because they're different from the letter to letter rules. Anyway, sorry, hope this helps.
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I think it really just depends on the club. I'm 21, and the only college-aged kid at my club. I think there's a good 50-50 split between kids in high school or younger, and older guys in their 30's or 40's.
The only difference in terms of personality I see that comes with age (get ready for a big generalisation) is that older players paint their models much nicer, and play a more competitive game. So which group I hang out with depends on whether A) I want to show up the kids with my painting and gaming skills, or I want a challenge.
Also, I think the older players make parents feel safer about dropping their kids off at a clubhouse. Like, they are being well supervised. But then, I guess this would all be different if there was only one old, wierd, half-crazed-bum-looking guy. (no offence, I don't mean to say that's you)
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I hope it's not me, Honest Abe.
I'd be the first to admit I don't know all the rules, although I do prefer to stick to them. All too many young-uns feel if they custom the rules to their advantage and beat you it "counts". Then you get to listen to them talk about how they beat you, rather than analyze whether their custom stuff was... maybe overly-advantageous.
But that deviates (pun intended) from the question I was posing, do the old folk hanging around the shop cause concern for the younger players? Apparently there's some concern that "old fart" is somewhat hung up on "the old ways", which is probably true. Are there other warnings that the older player should keep in mind?
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My gaming club, although not a GW, has been around since FB first edition. So most of the people who attend are over 30.
I'm 20 and I'm possibly the youngest there. Indeed I'm the relative n00b!
I get beat a lot there, but I learn a lot as well There is a sub section of the club set aside for MTG, but I stopped playing that a while ago. Many of the players there are, in fact, younger than myself. Although a lot are older too. But there are a couple of guys you could call 'old farts'. Most of them are fine to get along with though, so it's all good.
I can see how a much older player playing a 13 year old can be seen as a bit creepy, but it honestly depends on the person. I think if someone looks creepy then they are going to look creepy whoever they're playing!^_^
In my local Games Workshop it doesnâ€™t seem that age in itself is of any real importance; the great divide is between two groups of customers, those who bring their parents and those who donâ€™t, regardless of actual age â€“ personally I enjoy chatting about the hobby with anyone who cares to listen to my verbose ramblings, be their fourteen or forty, but it does seem to me that the presence of parents put a dampener on most young playersâ€™ spirits; perhaps some parents disapprove of â€˜matureâ€™ individuals participating in what they likely see as kidsâ€™ play â€“ Iâ€™ve once been asked by a Mother (capital M quite intentional) if I wasnâ€™t too old for playing Warhammer and why I didnâ€™t go looking for a more appropriate hobby. Clearly she thought that there must be something wrong with a 22-year-old female spending her time collecting and playing with little toy soldiers â€“ though exactly what thereâ€™s wrong with that I never quite understood. Supposedly itâ€™s just â€˜not doneâ€™. :blink:
There is one person at my local club that I would describe as an â€˜Old Fartâ€™ â€“ I have no idea what his actual age is, in fact I donâ€™t think weâ€™ve ever been properly introduced, but he always seems to be around whenever I am, wearing a great big hat and coat, and he has a tendency to join in any conversation currently taking place without preamble, even if he doesnâ€™t seem entirely sure what the subject of conversation is â€“ at first I found that quite odd, but he means well and is actually rather funny, even if Iâ€™m not entirely sure itâ€™s always intentional. Quite a lively fellow. ^_^
Personally, though, I rather enjoy talking to the older players, and Iâ€™ve never found anything odd about them hanging around the store â€“ some even bring their own kids in an attempt to get them interested in the hobby as well, though unfortunately they donâ€™t always seem to succeed. When I go abroad to participate in various conventions and tournaments, I usually stay with friends who are several years older than me â€“ at least ten years older, I believe, although I didnâ€™t actually notice this until they brought it up; when you get along wonderfully, who cares about differences in age?
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Old fart or not, just enjoy the game. Just don't act immature, always be on top of it with rules (god only knows if you're older should know them). Also, find a second hobby, don't let GW be the end all of all things you like to do (this is aimed primarily at my age group). After college I suspect Warhammer will take the back seat as something I'll enjoy occasionally, cause it is more healthy that way for my age. Need to get out and experience new things, might take up knitting:x When you are older, married, with kids, and have the spare time, enjoy the game as you did as a kid, damn all that say something. Other than that, who cares.
Well I am deffinatly an old fart by my age. :w00t:
But people that go to the games workshop by me are just treated equal. What I mean by that is not anyone is treated older or younger. Hypethetically speaking how your aunty would speak to a baby...You should know how the words sound. So really all they do at the one I go to is act like a normal sales man and whatever else, help you on what to descide what to get..exc.
I've run into the situation of being the "oldest" person at a game or two.
There's a few benefits and a few drawbacks.
1. People automatically put you in charge for things. It appears we're presumed to have some sort of universal amount of "experience" in regards to all things, I've been in charge of mega battles 3 times, been used as a rules rep for 2 RT's and just get generally deffered to by others. It's perplexing sometimes, but you learn to take it in stride.
2. Younger people are intimidated by your presence. This changes depending on age gap, but it appears that because we don't rant and rave about the newest things coming out and state that "Space marines are soo coool!" ,that we are like unto a Wise Wizard - who holds vast knowledge and shouldn't be disturbed in they're musings lest they unleash the terror of their dark armies upon ye!
3. Younger people are, in general, less comfortable initiating a game/conversation with you. Probably for the above reasons.
4. Parents of younger players are baffled by you being there. I get a lot of strange looks by parents (it's always when they think you're not looking too). I might not dress any different from them, but parents tend to be wary of other adults they don't know in general. Maybe it's a protective thing. Maybe it's one of those "Our child had better not grow up to be like that guy!" things. It seems to come from people who don't "get" the hobby. I never get odd looks from parents who play.
5. I get followed by Noob kids. They follow me around a store like a lost puppy and they ask questions non-stop. I've been through Boyscouts so I'm used to kids attaching themselves to people they like, and people who actually listen to them. But every once in a while.......
Some days I do wish that GW would allow their stores to have age-seperate areas. But, meh.
And Rogoth, stop calling yourself "old". When you do that you make me feel "old". You're in your prime. Say "mature", or "sophisticated" or something. But not "old"! I've met "old" warhammer players (late 60's), you don't even count yet.
What we really need is an Adventurer's club, like they had around the trun of the century (1900). We could all wear pith helmets and khaki shorts, and say things like:
"I say, old chum! Did you hear about the time I thumb-wrestled a Bloodthirster? Beat the poor fellow into submission with a dictionary, I did! Jolly good time!"
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Hmm "old farts" eh well it wasn't exactly a "old fart" that got me into the game but most of the people that are in my gaming group are older then me. Matter of fact I probally got into the game because of the "old farts" as they were just a hoot to be around :w00t: .
Really though depending on your viewpoint you can see older gamers as harder to approach though for me I prefer the older gamers most of the time as they have a lot of experience and have lived life longer then I thus have more stories to tell (ahh story time those are fun times indeed :tongue: hehe).
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