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Well it's such a big talking point I guess it's bound to come up eventually. So I thought I'd take the bit between the teeth and initiate things.
So what are your thoughts on the matter? Personally I don't really know enough about the whole situation to offer an in depth analysis.
Such a shame, though, that violence is still rife in Iraq. I wonder if this execution will really change anything. I think Bush is mistaken when he says it's a big step toward achieving democracy in Iraq.
I found the video in the link quite haunting. Can't imagine what it feels like to be only moments away from death.
Although I don't support the death penalty, I think it's good to see a trial (even if the verdict was already known before said trial even began), conviction and sentence carried out in Iraq. I don't know how things will progress in Iraq, or whether or not things will get better in the future, but at least that's one less thing for the public to worry about.
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There was a newspaper article here in Canberra that did quite a good story on it. Saddam Hussein was obviously going to get the death penalty but its disappointing how they went about the trial. Saddam's lawyers kept mysteriously dying and he got denied several rights death sentence cases usually get.
As the heading of that article went: "Lynch mob justice rules in Iraq."
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The whole thing was a farce, but I can't say I'm sorry because of all the suffering he's caused.
I hope all leaders who cause such suffering to humanity meet a similar fate - American or Arab.
The Death of Sadam won't acheive anything for the people of Iraq. It's a media device to be used for popularity for politics in the west. It's pretty sick how all the lives of Iraqis and the comparitively few soldiers who gave their lives in such a futile war are simply political devices to be twisted by the media.
The people of Iraq will continue to suffer, for a long time to come, as people continue to try and 'nation' build when they don't know what the hell they're doing themselves.
Forgive me if I'm sailing way out into controversiality here, but for all his crimes, Saddam was no more dictatorial than other leaders whom our governments support and acknowledge as the rightful rulers of their states.
The difference is that, unlike them, Saddam wasn't well connected or useful.
Also, his trial was a monstrosity of injustice.. Did anyone ever doubt for a second that he was going to get the death penalty? If they did, I'd call them naive. It was a show trial, pure and simple, and the outcome was a foregone conclusion..
He should have been tried by an international court for crimes against humanity, as is usual with dictators and war criminals.. The insistance on having him tried by an Iraqi court, when the Iraqi state doesn't even exist in real terms, was ridiculous.
Well said Mantis.
If Saddam was in a position to have one.. who would have been tried for warcrimes then?
I don't see why the fact they're winners should stop them from being excecuted.
Well i always thought that he sould avoid the death sentence and instaed face life in jail so that peolpe can see that he is just a man and nothing more then that. When he was alive we could see and more importantly the iraqi people could see that there was nothing more to fear from saddam and that he is totaly powerless.
They did say something interesting on the radio that in order for a leader to be taken seriously in the middle east he needs to kill a man. Lets hope that this strengthens the government in the eyes of the iraqi peolpe.
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I think it's naive to assume the Iraqi people are all in fear of Saddam. Crap like that helps to propagate the whole Goodies and Baddies thing. I mean c'mon, even in 40K people realise there's no such thing as good guys, surely people can see that of reality?
They're just in fear of oppression, death and war - who ever the culprits maybe.
Saddams death is hardly a loss for humanity, but it is a loss for justice.
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Well, in order to properly understand this, you have to go back to the Great Game between Britain and Russia. Iraq used to be called Persia. Persia was through the entire Great Game, a point that was under contention. Whether it is from the British and the French, or the French and the Russian, or the Russian and the British, Persia was fought for, allied with, and then betrayed. They have no reason to trust European powers at all, and much as we are in North America, we are still a European power in the eyes of many.
Many years ago, a genocide was going on in that part of the world, that is similar to what is going on in Sudan today. The United States trained Sudan Hussein and many others how to be "freedom fighters", guerrilla fighters, or terrorists. They are all the same thing. That massacre was ended in part because of what we did to train these people. Then what in their eyes had become an alliance, was severed again, and we abandoned them as soon as their usefulness was over. George W. Bush senior had wanted to invade Iraq. He was not allowed to.
In present day, Iraq was developing Nuclear Power Plants. The UN was asked by America to give them a verdict. They must stop getting nuclear power, and that when they do stop, the UN will negotiate with them about stopping in perpetually their making of nuclear power. Now, if this sounds fishy to you, thats because it is. Iraq refused, probably because they believed that they would be double crossed, or abandoned yet again, once we had what we wanted out of them. The Asian people have a very long memory. Shortly after they refused, the World Trade Centers were destroyed, and George W. Bush Junior declared war on Iraq, on the basis they were creating Nuclear Weapons, when the only basis for that was that they were creating power plants so that people could have working light bulbs, and heaters, and hot water.
Now, if you can look at this and say that the war in Iraq was not a good idea, then you follow my train of thought. Sadam Hussein deserved the death penalty. But we went after a country for being a terrorist organization, when it was not only simply a organization in that country, but in Sudan, closer to the United States, we not only have a genocide, but we have a group that virtually hires bandits because they are cheaper, than to actually involve themselves in the fight. Hundreds of people die every day. More people than the number that live in Washington D.C., London, or Paris have died there. Many more are simply charted as "missing." And if Sadam Hussein did not get the death penalty, it would of been a larger breach of justice. *Calms down a little, and stops ranting *