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I presume most people know about the upcoming elections in the U.S in 2008 (more likely those of you in the U.S do at least, but it's been on the news everywhere). There are a couple of possible world first's too, which is what makes it so special. There is the possibility for the first Female president of America, the first African-American president, and the first Hispacic president among the candidates. Al Gore, who is well known for his 'Inconvenient Truth' is also running, as well as Reverend Al Sharpton, both interesting candidates (IMO). The two who have been recieving the most attention however, are Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, the respective female and african-american candidates.
It is also the first election in 80 years not to have incumbents, that is, the vice president running for presidency as he would be considered the 'heir apparent' to replace him. It will also be the most expensive election in American history, the chairman of the federal election commision claiming it will be a ""$1 billion election," and that to be "taken seriously," a candidate will need to raise at least $100 million by the end of 2007.
Personally, I'm just happy that Bush is going, and this election will hopefully appoint someone who has the wisdom to start pulling out of Iraq ,re-couping their losses, and hopefully focusing their attention (and budget) on something more productive than war-mongering. I've waited a long time for Bush to go, and I'm elated that the time is upon us.
As for the electoral candidates, I'd have to say if I had to choose who I'd want to win, I'd say Barack Obama. Honestly for no other reason than I think it's about time they opened up the ivory tower and had their first African-American president. Also because I haven't actually heard any of his policies, so I can't really say much about them just yet. I'll look into it though. I wouldn't mind Hillary Clinton winning either, as a female president would be a good first as well.
As for who I think is going to win, It will probably turn out to be one of the state-sponsored old white guys, who might even get the position via the same means as George Bush - having friends in the right places (such as an ex-president father, a governor brother, and a cousin counting the votes). But I won't go into that, as that's not what this is about.
I'd like to hear your thoughts on this election, as well as who you'd like to win, and who you think will win. Anything else to do with the elections or current American politics would be welcomed as well.
Here are a few links to help you out:
Official and potential 2008 United States presidential election Democratic candidates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States presidential election, 2008 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Personally, I'm tired of the Republican Conservative White House, nothing good has really come of the last eight years. Oil prices have skyrocketed, the economy nearly collapsed, and society as a whole has collapsed, the way I see it.
Personally, I'd like to see Obama become president, not because he's African American, but because he has a vision. I've seen some of his ideas and his platform, and I must say I'm very pleased.
Hillary Clinton wouldn't be a terrible decision, but I don't know much yet, she just joined the race and I haven't really looked into her yet. I suppose that she might have a stigma to overcome after Bill Clinton, but that has yet to be seen.
I just turned 18 last year, and I'm going to help make a decision of this country's direction. Hopefully, it'll be for the better.
Well, I just checked out Obama's policies, and I've got to say, I'm more convinced than ever. This guy should win the election, no doubt about it. He's the right guy for the job, IMO.
Barack Obama: My Plans for 2008
It also appears there are a few attempts by Fox News to defame Obama, with absolutely stupid things like the clothes he wears being similar to the Iranian president (i.e no tie), his name rhymes with 'Osama' and his middle name is Hussein. Wow, just goes to show how hard some people are trying to take him down :rolleyes:
I hope that Hillary DOESN'T get the nomination... She has more baggage than Heathrow.
Seriously, I'm not affiliated with either party here, but she'd mobilize the right wing base against her like nothing anyone's ever seen before.
As for Obama, I think he's interesting. He's a great speaker (something the past few candidates R or D, haven't been). He seems to have a real vision.
If he should get the nomination, I think it will be interesting to see how he does in the south and in the central plains (where things TEND to be a lot more conservative, and they MIGHT have lingering issues about voting for a minority candidate).
I'll be really interested to see who the Republicans will settle on. They're in a bit of a pickle right now, with no real attractive centerist candidate to come forth.
McCain has problems, in that he's been awfully close to the president on Iraq, and seems to be trying to kiss up to the extreme right to consolidate power.
Giuliani's got some issues too. There's a lot of stuff in the closet that the nation doesn't really hear about, a few wives and mistresses, as well as some questionable tactics used when 'cleaning up' NYC.
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There are only two candidates who have any support from me whatsoever. I'm so jaded anymore about the king-making system we have here in the US that I have serious doubts about anybody who is "presidential". Generally, that means that they're in the pocket of the moneyed interests and little to nothing will change for the better, but changes for the worse are quite likely. I think the last 30+ years of history bears me out on this.
Anyway, the candidates. First is John Edwards, who is the only candidate to have put his money where his mouth is. He talks a good talk, but over the last two years, he's also walked the walk. He's not just a pretty face, he's actually working personally to enact the changes he thinks are necessary. You gotta respect that kind of dedication and integrity.
Second favorite is Dennis Kucinich. And I like him largely for the same reasons I like Edwards. Kucinich hasn't been as active as Edwards, but his biggest liability is his sincerity. He's been in the system much longer than Edwards, and as such has been marginalized out of being effective because The Powers That Be need to keep him impotent and quietly on the sidelines, lest the "radical" policies he espouses (horror! less funding for the military and more funding for health care!) actually gain traction with the American public.
Barack Obama is on my radar, but right now he's just a lot of hot air. He talks a good talk, but that's it. He has done absolutely nothing during his short tenure as a public servant, other than absorb adulations, deflect questions about running for president, and giving speeches across the country. That really bothers me, actually. Was he elected to the senate only so he could increase his visibility? Is that why voters put him in office? I think not. He may be sincere, but if a man is measured by his actions, he's a nobody, and I need to see him put his money where his mouth is before I can support him.
As for Hillary, I can't stand her. I respect ambition, but she's become like John McCain, in that she's triangulating and hedging and saying anything that makes her "viable". It's disgusting. If she has any heartfelt convictions, or actually has the welfare of the American Public iln mind, I have yet to see any evidence of it.
And you can lump everybody else who's a "serious condender" into the "I can't stand (him/her)" category, too. I welcome the Al Sharptons and the like for the entertainment they bring, and their ability to force the discussion of real issues in real terms, but they aren't serious candidates, unfortunately. They serve a vital purpose, and we need them there, but they aren't actually serious about winning the office.
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The U.S. needs someone who wants what the people want. "Hillary" is NOT the person for the job. She is a career politician who will say anything to get where she needs to go and her policies are narrow and unrepresentative of the majority.
I'll go out on a limb and admit I voted for Bush both times. The man is a dumb ass, lame duck with no intention to do anything to improve the country or listen to the people he represents. His policies are designed to benefit him and his ilke when he leaves office. And the Republican Congressmen aren't any better, most of them. They disgust me.
But I'll be damned if I swing to the other side just because of this. The Republicans better bring someone to the table that will represent the people. Asses or Elephants, they all have agendas and it's sickening.
Karmoon: "well.. any kore = good kore" 12:35pm PST 23 May 2007
How I'm leaning?
1). Hilary: Don't like her AT ALL. Not that she's a woman, but I am turned off by people who are solely in politics for personal power. Ever since she was 1st Lady she has been planning and building power for this time. As has been mentioned, I despise career politicians, people who care nothing for the country at large, and only care for their own power and gain. If she was less power hungry and politically aggressive, I wouldn't have an issue with her. She just reminds me of many late Roman Empire politicians who damned the Empire so as to gain a little infamy. No thanks. Plus she's the anti-thesis of what Washington and other father's of our country originally intended for the office of the President: a new Cincinnatus (look it up on wiki if you don't know who he is or what he did.)
2). Obama: Could be good, but he's too young I feel. He hasn't had a chance to turly test himself in politics. If he'd been in the Senate for a few more years (i.e. more than 4) he'd be solid. I say in '12 he'll be a great candidate.
3). McCain: The only one I kinda like. Doesn't mind going against his party and doing what he feels right. Also more willing to work with members of the other party. Does have some skeletons in his closet, but he's possibly the only candidate with a solid background in foreign policy, and the only one to serve in the military and know how it works.
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Interesting thread, particularly for me as a non-US citizen.
So far ive not read too much coverage of the presidential selections so far, apart from hearing a few Hilary Clinton speeches on the radio.
Great link to the Barack Obama stuff, i think if i was american and if he gets selected as candidate for the Democrats id be voting for him, the guys obviously smart, has principles and a vision and i think its important for more countries like the USA and the UK to have key figures in government who represent different demographics.
WHat i have never understood about US politics is how it often seems like money talks, in the UK there is a fixed sum that can be spent on campaigning and also the TV companies have codes of conduct where i think it would be startling to see them defame individual candidates in political contests like CNN did (for example) linking Obama with the Iranian president and commenting on how his surname rhymed with Osama.
For someone on the outside looking in US politics has always seemed to me to be about personalities rather than issues and policies, and that worries me given the power and influence the Commander in Chief of the US wields worldwide.
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Karmoon: "well.. any kore = good kore" 12:35pm PST 23 May 2007