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There are a lot of ways of enjoying this hobby, and being on a site like this makes you realise that. Before I kick off, I should point out that I have plenty of time for people who are really into GWs world, or their own models, background or whatever. This thread isn't about them, and I don't want to rant about armies or fluff because I'd be having a go at myself.
What puzzles and interests me is the kids (and occasional adults) you sometimes meet who are emotionally involved rather than just interested and entertained. On several occasions, on another site with (I think) a slightly younger readership, I've come to suspect that there are kids out there who (consciously or not) wish that they actually were Space Marines, and regard any disparaging comments about the marines as personally hurtful. (You occasionally see it with Eldar, but much more rarely).
I like 40k, it's a good world full of bizarre and interesting characters, but they are just that. They're not real and they're often not terribly realistic. I wonder sometimes if the marines don't recruit at 14 to increase the wish-fulfillment angle of the game background for geeky kids. I know about the geneseed requiring puberty to work properly, etc, but it's hard not to be cynical.
What do other people think about this? Is 40k geared to this obsessing, in some weird way?
Yes I am to much into 40k. I have had a few complaints that to much of my time is occupied by 40k (hence why I'm getting more involved in DnD). I enjoy writing short stories and the 40k universe provides a brilliant backdrop for them.
As for getting emotionally involved though... not on your life. 40k is a hobby to me (albeit a massive, time-consuming hobby).
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Put it this way, from my experiece its a lot harder to get seriously into 40k than it is some other interests.
You should see some of the RPG players and *shudder die hard anime fans.
There is nothing, NOTHING more pathetic on this planet than someone who wants to marry chii and be a ninja like the ones in naruto.
I digress, but to me, to get that involved in 40k takes a lot.
Compared ot alot of other fictional things 40k isn't all glorious battles where good always win or really lovy romantic stuff, its about real dark brutal imagery that makes it hard for people to get into.
Thats my take at least.
I'm with LordLink on this one. It consumes a large amount of my time, but by no means am I emotionally involved.
There are too many other things that I could show total devotion to.
I agree with the others on this one: 40k is a hobby to me, it’s something I enjoy doing, and do a lot, but I don’t consider myself emotionally involved. Well, if Black Library suddenly stopped publishing new books I would definitely be disappointed, but it’s not like I can’t put aside this interest of mine in favour of real life and common sense (or at least I like to pretend that this is the case. :rolleyes When people offend my army or my opinion of the fluff I’ll do the customary shaking of fists and challenging posturing, but at the end of the day I won’t be losing any sleep over it.
However, I have met people who really did seem to take to heart everything regarding their favourite characters and factions, to the degree that they’d throw a fit over the slightest bad-mouthing of their armies. I have had more than one unfortunate encounter with Dark Angels players angsting about the Black Library novel ‘Angels of Darkness’ by Gav Thorpe and denying to the point of tears that their Primarch could ever be a traitor. They were seriously acting as if they actually felt he was their Primarch and the suggestion that he might’ve betrayed them crushed their hearts. It’s probably something Freudian about a missing father figure.
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You've hit the nail on the head, Grephaun. It's where you start to feel that the fans aren't enjoying the game/background in its own right, but are seeing something else inside it that it gets weird. Sometimes in fluff debates someone will accuse someone else of trying to warp the fluff into the shape they want it to be: I think this is the mental equivalent.
To my mind there's almost nobody to get involved with: everyone is unhappy except orks, who are stupid, and tyranids, who aren't sentient. I guess the marine fanboys get that way because marines are super leet-leet, and let them dream of being someone who wouldn't get beaten up for being a nerd.
I really must be less cynical in future.
People can DEFINATELY take the game too seriously (but then again, people take sport too seriously as well, football fans of the world are you listening? :w00t
I think any time you have someone investing that much personal attachment into anything, it is generally to fill a void somewhere inside themselves.
There's one guy where I sometimes play who's literally covered in chaos tattoos. (he plays fantasy, however)
I got sucked back into the game about 1 yr ago after a 16+ year hiatus, simply because I LOVED the storyline. In that last year I've gone off the deep end and now have 4 armies in various states of build/paint. I've bought dozens of BL books, codices, dice, transport boxes, etc. Not to mention the fact that I now have a fully operational side job just doing conversions, painting and special parts for people!
That said, it really isn't all that serious to me. If GW came out tomorrow and said that the Emperor was really Groucho Marx, Horus was the re-incarnation of the Buddha, and that the Orks were the smartest race in the galaxy, I'd be frustrated, sure... But I wouldn't go mental:wacko: .
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All I want to add is that I find it hypocritical that fantasy/SF/gaming obsessions are viewed upon disparagingly, while sports obsessions are accepted as normal. How is obsessing over football -- and fantasy football -- any different, or less disturbing, than obsessing over RPGs or wargames?
So long as one's life isn't consumed by a particular obsession -- be it gaming, sports, porn, whatever -- than I don't have a problem with it. I'm as big a gamer as they come, but I do have other things I do, enjoy, and feel responsibility for, and I don't go off the deep end about my hobbies.
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Now thats out in the open, on with the thread!
Im obsessed with 40k to a certain extent. Im addicted to painting, love reading the stories and spend an unhealthy amount of time on this board, usually just waiting for someone to post somthing I can reply to! If I have a choice between buying some new jeans to go clubbing in or buying a new model, the model will always win, ive got other jeans after all!
In my mind this is a healthy obsession. Its letting me express my creativity, fueling my imagination and getting me out the house for somthing other than beer! How can this be a bad thing?
I think the people who get emotionally invested in the hobby and take to obsession to the extreams are often those in the nerd/geek social groups. Social misfits that need the escapism to distance themselves from the harsh world that they live in. Lets face it, if your life is miserable, and you have nothing else, then living in a dream world where you are 7' tall and armour clad is a pretty nice place to be.
Disclaimer: All comments are a wide generalization and individual case's may be vastly different. These comments in no way represent the views of the poster.
O come on guys havent you ever had a good dream one night where you were a space marine in an ork infested warzone. Or the pilot of a landspeeder (that would be sick) fling really really fast and shooting lots and lots of bullets.
I used to work by myself. I litterally made contact with another human being ever o say hour and a half. This led to several things.
1. People say im crazy. they are probably right
2. I sometimes talk to myself
3. I zone out/ daydream sometimes.
But honestly i dont have any obcession with the game, i mean being a real sm would suck. All work no play.
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