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Well, it's official, Prince Harry is indeed off to Iraq with "his boys".
The questions I have for all of you royal subjects out there is this;
What are your thoughts on the matter?
Personally, while I think it is admirable that Harry has grown up a bit and decided to stay with his unit rather than accepting a desk job simply on the grounds that he's a royal, it seems many military advisers believe that he'll be a target simply because of his importance, thus endangering the rest of his unit (above and beyond the run-of-the-mill shooting gallery they currently operate in). While he certainly won't STAND OUT under all the gear, it probably won't be too hard for insurgents to eventually find out which patrol groups he's leading.
This situation leaves me a bit divided on the issue. Brave, yes. Character building experience, probably. Doing so at the risk of endangering the others in your unit...?
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What I think is most silly about the whole thing is the illusion that he'll just be 'a normal soldier' in his regiment. As I understand it, he will have an SAS bodyguard at all times, and I personally doubt he'll be allowed in any situation where the danger is more than vague, because if he were to die, or worse, be captured and executed, it would be.. in no uncertain terms, a disaster. No military figure in their right mind is going to let that happen. So my guess is that he will be placed somewhere far away from danger where the general public can maintain the illusion that he's doing something.
You're dealing with an enemy whose snipers video their kills to stream over the internet. A video or photograph of prince Harry's death would be utter gold dust.
I feel sorry for people like Harry, because I get the feeling he desperately wants to do something useful, but will likely spend much of his life as an anachronistic waste of space. I don't think he's even smart enough to go into business or finance like the other minor royals. In short, it's a rather sad state of affairs, and I'd like to see him simply released from it all and allowed to be a normal dude.. But hey, not going to happen, his drunken/dope fuelled escapades make too good a new story for that..
Even though I'm not one of her majesty's subjects, I still think good for him for going. It'll be a good character building experience.
Will he actually SEE combat?
He'll prolly do a few patrols and then stop, mainly b/c it'll take the enemy that long to realize who he is, what unit he's with/etc. and set up ambushes and the like. He'll prolly do intelligence stuff after he gets his ""field" time. That's how it goes (generally) in the US. Young officers are pretty much required to have 1-2 years leading troops in the field (as a platoon leader usually) and once that's done they usually go to more staff related jobs.
Anyway, good for him.
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Patroiotic bulls**t aside and just to make it clear I don't really agree with the war in Iraq but.....
Hell yeah Harry should go to Iraq and although as Mantis rightly pointed out it is unlikely for a number of reasons, he should be posted into a combat zone as well. Probably the first Prince to see combat since I don't know when ( though I believe Prince Andrew served in the Falklands in an auxillary capacity as a helicopter pilot).
I get unreasonable when I talk about the monarchy. Every logical and rational part of me tells me they are an outdated constitutional feature and getting patriotic over someone because the happened to have the right surname is completly rediculous but I don't know... it be cool to see one the Princes kicking some ass old school style.
I don't know what would happen these days if he got killed or captured. Back in the day that would lead to some serious retribution but things are a little more complicated these days.
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Good for Harry.
In this particular case the symbolism of him serving with his comrades is much more important than the lack of tactical effectivness his presence brings.
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IMO he isn't there for combat.
Regardless of his combat ability he can easily be a figurehead for the royalty.
This could effect morale (i.e boost it) and looks good in the news.
Personally, while I do find the whole idea of monarchy anachronistic and nonsensical, I prefer the idea of a constitutional monarch acting as a head of state than a president, simply because it's a breakdown of influence.
What I don't get the point of is all the hangers on and minor royals, Harry included. Yes, they exist, yes, they're related to the queen. Good for them, but since they're not fulfilling the purpose of a monarch, I don't see why they should be entitled to special treatment. The state is not there to look after a bunch of incredibly rich people for no better reason than that they were born into the right family.
I'd like to see the British monarchy run much more like the Japanese monarchy, on a much smaller budget, with far less separation from the lives of ordinary people, and with an intrinsic understanding that the monarchy is there to perform a role within the state, and that anything above that is family business, not state business.
If Harry goes to Iraq, it should be in one of two capacities.. either he goes as an ordinary citizen, and is treated like any other ordinary citizen, or he goes as a member of the monarchy and acts like a representative of the state. At the moment, he is being treated like a member of the monarchy while claiming to be an ordinary citizen, which just leaves me confused as to what exactly he's supposed to be doing.
I agree with The_Giant_Mantis that Harry is in an awkward position. He has no more control over how he was born than the rest of us. The problem is that he does know what position he is in. He isn't a conscript or anything like that and he is an adult, he is responsible if his presence causes problems. It is easy to see that he could cause problems because he is such an important target.
On the other hand he may be very good at boosting morale etc. It will be interesting to see how it works out, if it works out. Or if it only a non-starter, no confrontation, and no possibility to see how the monarchy fit in to these situations today. I do think that it is probably an illusion that he is 'one of the boys' though.
I too think he'll be given an easy post with his boys, but at least he's trying to be useful, and he doesn't stick out like a right royal person either, so the insurgents and millitas probaly won't be able to identify him easily
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