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Hey I just came across this documentary: Global Dimming.
What are your thoughts?
Right at the end it starts to make big predictions. Pretty scary predictions imo. A little unrealistic. Especially that one of the earth where the water starts covering vast amounts of land. I'm sorry but a 7m rise of the sea level does not have that much of an effect.
I see global dimming as a huge problem as it as had huge consequences. So I am all for clean coal technology. We need to clean the atmosphere of particle pollution.
However, I am not so sure of the dire consequences of global warming. People are getting a little too scared of the "end of the world" scenarios imo.
Global Warming is the new religion. Evangelists strut and fret on the world stage while fervent believers cower in fear. Anyone who questions this new religion are mocked and persecuted.
The alleged information is demonstrated to be fraudulent, but the concept is so firmly ingrained in the collective mind that we somehow WANT to believe it. We are told from the beginning of our education that Global Warming is true and honest and indisputable, therefore it must be.
A New World Order arises, promising to repair the damage being done by our wanton and sacreligious desecration of Mother Earth. Kyoto finds a way to fine those who continue to ignore the "obvious fact" of Global Warming.
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By who? Why are you trusting these people any more than the scientific majority? Aren't they just evangelists too, parading their little version of the truth around..The alleged information is demonstrated to be fraudulent
We've all seen evidence, I believe we're all capable of making up our own minds, but to pedal your opinions off as the real answer is deceptive and flawed. Not that I have much sympathy with the green brigade either..
This entire issue could do with much less emotion on all sides..
i think we should do something about pollution, i do not, however, think that global warming is due to humans, i don't even very much believe the weather is changing. I think that the current weird weather is a momentary glitch like the short ice-ages a few centuries back.
Pollution of our world should be dealt with however, this planet is the only one we have and it doesn't exactly get anymore liveable with toxic-rains or when we lay a highway across everything
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More on-topic: We should've taken action a long time ago. We've had cleaner technologies for ages, but since they'd put corporations out of business, they never hit off. Frankly, I welcome the whole doom-scenario, the human race has been ****ing about for long enough, it's about time it got erased. What goes around comes around.
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Geez guys, way to go off topic. Not a single post addressing the topic.
I for one see the graph of CO2 in the atmosphere and notice something. It's a lot higher than the peaks in the normal cycle.
And then you go and point out that the temperature hasn't risen in accordance to this spike in CO2.
The first post explains why.
Here's me holding back on calling you global warming deniers what I think of you.
Funny thing is, I'm not with all you religious fanatics either. I don't believe in the Stern solution, and I don't believe in doing anything about global warming. It's just not worth it. We're not going to all die.
To believe we have to fight global warming with the current level of technology is like believing we could get to the moon with 19th century technology.
Do something rash now, and we screw ourselves, and plunge the economy into recession/depression (while china continues to pump out enough CO2 to make our effort worthless). Do nothing, and not much is going to happen to us.
"My neighbor doesn't have to take his trash out to the curb, so why should I? If he can let it fester in his backyard, I should be allowed to, too!" Yeah, sure, that makes sense. Provided we don't mind living in trash ... and all that entails.
Global warming and global dimming aside, we should always be trying to be better stewards of our planet, regardless of what anybody else does, whether "anybody" includes China, India, the USA, the European Union, the entire continent of Africa.... It just makes rational, logical sense.
And I don't buy the argument that curbing pollution hurts the economy. Bollocks! That's like the auto industry back in the mid-20th century claiming that putting in seat belts would ruin them, cost jobs, etc. Then it was higher gas mileage. Then it was air bags, anti-lock brakes, and so on down to the present.
Also, history has shown (here in the US, anyway), that all truly sweeping, nationwide environmental regulations (e.g., banning lead from gasoline, the Clean Water and Air acts) have corresponded with economical increases. That's because such regulation usually spur extra research, development, investment, and innovation. Supposedly, these are the raw materials that fuel economic expansion, so I fail to understand why anybody should be afraid of them. Any businesses with an ounce of sense should be looking for an opportunity to cash in on any changes in environmental regulations.
Firmly back on the topic of "global dimming" ... I don't have an opinion on it. Whether it's good science or bad science is impossible for me to tell. I just don't know enough about it. Having an opinion on it, therefore, is useless and counterproductive. Having opinions on what scientific results should be are why we get astronomers recanting their discovery that the sun is the center of the solar system. When some more research comes out, I'll be happy to look it over.
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I love that the thread is titled Global Dimming and everyone starts talking about global warming.
Oh, and by the way onlainari, here in the States, the Public Broadcasting Corporation ran this same doc on global dimming. I happened to catch it about a year ago.
Very interesting stuff.
Basically, global dimming is what's saving us from the bulk of the damage from global warming. Essentially, the clouds of pollution that are trapping greenhouse gases also reflect back the sun's rays because they're much denser and have more complex surfaces than natural clouds. As a result, less heat and light from the sun actually gets through these clouds to us.
Hence the term, global dimming.
The irony is that if a lot of the current clean-air bills/ treaties/ whatever are enacted, we'll actually hurt ourselves because nearly all of those initatives will remove those complex clouds.
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