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Hey guys, your resident indecisive gamer ==Me== here.
I'm looking for a cheap Fantasy army, so far I've got WoC, Bretonnians, and VCs in consideration. Somebody suggested OKs and said I could make a 2k army out a Battalion and some extras. I'm so in!
Here's what I came up with after a thorough read of the army book and some lurking.
Tyrant-heavy armor, brace of handguns, Tenderizer, Spangleshard, Greedy Fist, 2 Luck Gnoblars (322)
Butcher-Hellheart, 2 Tooth Gnoblars (190)
Butcher-Bangstick, Dispel Scroll, 2 Tooth Gnoblars (190)
Butcher-Cathayan Jet, Skullmantle, 2 Tooth Gnoblars (190)
Bulls-6, bellower (220)
Ironguts-3, bellower (154)
Ironguts-3, bellower (154)
Ironguts-3, bellower (154)
Gnoblar Fighters-20 (40)
Gnoblar Trappers-13 (78)
Leadbelchers-4, bellower (230)
The characters will go with the Ironguts while the Bankstick Butcher goes with the Leadbelchers. I've got a solid magic set up, some nasty anti-magic and a good array of hitty units with support. Do you think this will work? I had considered a Hunter instead of a Butcher, would that be a better choice or do I need the magic defense? Anythig here is up for changes, I'm a total newbie to OKs and looking for a inexpensive and competitive army so any advice is greatly appreciated.
Also any details on making a cheaper army would be most welcome.
Last edited by ==Me==; December 23rd, 2008 at 18:01.
Off the top of my head, you can only have 1 Luck gnoblar on the Tyrant
Spangleshrad isn't as good as the Wyrdstone Necklace statistically since it averages out to be only a 6+ ward, and the Ward save from the Wyrdstone also counts towards the Greedy Fist
3 Butchers are good but I never liked Tooth Gnoblars on butchers since they can't help when you you have to roll 3+ for gut magic and when you have to roll 6+ its silly not to use 2 die so it doesn't really matter to put in tooth gnoblars other then to increase the odds and you'll rarely get to 9+
6 bulls should be 2 units of 3 bulls (or just drop it to 3 bulls and spend points else where) because theirs no real advatage to having the larger unit other then unit strength. Bull charges rarely happen because they're too easy to avoid, you aren't getting a rank bonus, they're less menuverable and your losing 3 bulls or attacks when you could just spilt them up and uses the other 3 bulls to flank
LeadBelchers better as 2 units of 2 since they are more menuverable to go for the flank and 1 misfire won't effect all 4 of them
Yeah, I think CrownAxe has covered everything but I was just going say, if you want a "cheap" army it is very easy to make your own scraplauncher, all you need is matchsticks bulsa (dont think I spelt it right) wood and a bit of plastic card, and if you know how to sculpt a ball of wool, you know how to sculpt a rhinox.
and one more thing, if you want a "really cheap" army than you can make all of your Hero/lord choices with only a box of iron guts, and if you do that you will have sufficiant spare bits to make 3 of your bulls into iron guts (if you want) then maybe form a large unit of 6 gutboys to go with your tyrant.
Good point on the luck gnoblar, must have been thinking of tooth gnoblars. I like the Wyrd Necklace and the "eat your opponent in a challenge" item, would that work?
I could make the Tyrant legal, change his items, drop down to 3 Bulls and lose the Gorger for a Scraplauncher. Would that be a good idea or is 1 scrap launcher asking for trouble?
I'm going to try and convert the Butchers from Bulls and the Tyrant from Ironguts, so a Battalion, 2 boxes of Ironguts and a box of Gnoblars should do it. About 200 bucks before scraplaunchers, not bad.
why another box of gnoblars, in total you will have 33 gnoblars,
you can cover that with 24 gnoblars from box set , 2 from the bulls , 2 from the Ironguts , 2 from the lead belchers, 1 lookout gnoblar, all that together is 31, so if you chuck in 2 extra gnoblars and you got all your 33.
well I hope that, that made sense in some way
Ooh, I had no idea the box had so many Gnoblars
Here is a link to a post I did on another topic, it shows my bruiser and butcher which were made using the bulls and guts boxes and also my gnoblars wich were made from mainly ogre box set gnoblars.
here! (Starting OK, After so many wasted years of Gobbos...)
hop it helps you,
I think everyone already covered the good points, but here's a few more:
I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it, but you can only have 1 unit of gnoblars for every unit of bulls. I'd just run one unit of bulls and use 1 unit of gnoblars, either the normal ones or the trappers, your choice.
I wouldn't use all those special items on the butchers. 5-6 dispel scrolls and possibly a bangstick will do a lot more for you.
I wouldn't put a butcher with the leadbelchers. When they misfire, you don't want the blast hitting him as well. Put him with the Iron Guts and Bulls. They also need the 'buffing' more.
My favorite unit size for Iron Guts is 4 Iron Guts + a character. It's not going overboard, and there are enough models that they won't take a panic check after the first casualty. Some people like 3 + character, but I find they run too quickly.
Iron Guts are superior to Bulls in virtually every way, for only a small increase in cost. Just use the mandatory 1 unit of bulls, and use Ironguts for the rest.
Don't take out the gorger. In fact, I'd try room for a second one. I wouldn't buy them though. Just convert a normal Ogre into one. I used a regular bull ogre and green stuff to make mine. These guys are AWESOME. Nothing's more fun then fighting Tomb Kings, walking straight off their own back line, and then biting off their main priest's head on the following turn. ^_^
I've never used Scraplaunchers, but I hear they're good.
Here's what I'd do: buy the battalion and 2 boxes of bull ogres. That's 26 Ogres and 20 gnoblars, and that's really all you need.
Use the standard poles (you should have dozens from the sets), some various Ogre weapons, extra fluffy bits, and a little green stuff to turn the regular bulls into Ironguts, using the poles as the handles of the great weapons, and the fluffy bits as armor.
Use the Ironguts parts to make the Tyrant, and use the Ironguts heads and some fluffy bits to make the butchers. I made the butchers by using regular bull Ogres, gluing the giant ram-skull bits onto their backs, attaching Iron Guts heads, and painting them a different color than the others.
In any case, good luck!
Last edited by mynameisgrax; January 9th, 2009 at 19:42. Reason: forgot one thing
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Good deal, thanks for that. I'll do some testing and see if I can come back with an updated list.
Here it is
Tyrant w/ Tenderizer, Wyrdstone Necklace, heavy armor, luck gnoblar and challenger-eating gutplate (can never remember the name)
Butcher w/ bangstick and scroll
Butcher w/ 2 scrolls
Butcher w/ skull mantle and scroll
4 units of 3 Ironguts with Bellowers
2x 2 Leadbelchers
That's 1997 points. I couldn't afford a unit of 4 Ironguts for all the characters and have all the fun stuff, plus I think 5 wide is a bit difficult to move around, so would 3 work?
Last edited by ==Me==; January 9th, 2009 at 22:56.
if putting a char in a 'guts unit, usually you will only run 3wide for manouvreabilty so with 4 'guts and a hero, it would be 3in front, 2 in back. but anywho follow the one rule 2 gorgers or no gorgers, and i prefer yhetees over leadbelchers, but leadbelchers do save the mula
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