Ask OverTyrant Loki

[The Loki]

Ok, Loki. I face Tomb Kings next in my League. How in the hell do I deal with TK?

Short answer. Canny use of Gut magic.


A SIngle unit with trollguts can shut down the casket as the Magic resistance 2+ an additional DD will dispell the whole damned thing. Bullgorger is your friend. Guts with Gorger can destroy on average 5 chariots in a single round of combat (9 str 7 attacks that hit on 4's and insta pop said chariots). Never ever let them get the charge as the impact hits can and WILL hurt you in a serious fashion. But once in combat not much will give you trouble.

So quick breakdown.

Never let them get the charge.

Keep at least a single trollguted unit in LoS of the casket

Keep Urgency from getting off (Gives them free movement/charge/reform)

Ushbati are a pain in the arse with their multi wounds and Greatweapons. Drop em.

The Catapult is a real issue as are any war machine Get gorgers/trappers on this ASAP.

Bone Giants are a joke for OK. Send a unit of 20-25 gnoblars at it and you will get 40-50 shots that hit on 4's and wound on 6's. it can and will drop. and if it doesnt o noes i lost 40 points of Gnobo's

Kill the Herio if you can but dont throw everything away on him. Tyrant is the ultimate character killer so have fun.

Seigebreaker is your Butchers Best Friend.

As long as you dont get charged Toothcracker is more efficient then Trollguts (Instead of wounding on 5's and getting a 4+ save they are wounding on 6's and your getting a 5+ saveassuming Guts) Works out better. Just remember to keep a single Trollgut unit staring at the casket.


Hope that helps and i look foward to your results

[The Loki]

Oh great and powerful Over Tyrant Loki, i would like to ask 4 questions, for your undying wisdom.

1) Can Maneaters, Tyrants and Brusiers move and shoot with the brace of handguns? I have been called on this as it doesnt state in their rules if they can or cant.

2) Can a Tyrant and Brusier have a Brace of handguns, and a magic weapon?

3) What did Greaseus Gold Tooth tats like when you ate his guts?

4) How do you like the crown that Greaseus left you?

1) Yes they may. no where in the brace of handguns rules does it say Move-Or-Fire in the OK book. Unless that is stated then they may move and fire as normal. Goofy Tidbit but Ogre's have the best handguns in Warhammer currently!!

2)Yes they may. But in Close combat you MUST use your magic weapon. I still take brace of handguns in addition to my Tenderiser for several reason. First they look cool. Second it allows you to stand and shoot in the event you get charged(its saved me more then once). And if you cant get a charge off with your tyrant you can still shoot some poor sap in the teef with a pellet or two.

3) Pink jellybeans. My Thought Gnoblars are still trying to figure out why

4) i use it to store my LO rep now. Im smart enough without that burger king hat and if i were to wear it my posts would become transdimensionaly intellegent to the point no one but me and god would understand them and would therefore be a moot point/. On that Note Gresus is a crappy Special character and i advise never taking him.

[Sabeel786]

You mentioned in your reply to David that by keeping a unit with magic resistance 2 facing the casket you could use their magic resistance to dispell it. I was wondering if this is legitamate as several TK armies ive played said that I couldnt use magic resistance to dispell.

Ive tried to argue the case for it, but they still wont allow it. Has there been a FAQ posted about it. Coz it would really be funny to shove it in their face.

[Phoenix]

You can, i think its in the TK FAQ. The Casket affects every unit which can draw LoS to it. If any of the units that can see that Casket have MR, then these dice may be added to the dispel roll on the casket. You only add the Highest MR or al potential targets though, they dont stack.

[The Loki]

You mentioned in your reply to David that by keeping a unit with magic resistance 2 facing the casket you could use their magic resistance to dispell it. I was wondering if this is legitamate as several TK armies ive played said that I couldnt use magic resistance to dispell.

Ive tried to argue the case for it, but they still wont allow it. Has there been a FAQ posted about it. Coz it would really be funny to shove it in their face.

Then they are trying to cheese you out mate.


Page 33 of the Tomb King army book under the rules for The Light of Death state that it is cast exactly like an incantation with a powerlevel of 2d6.


Long story short it is a (albiet powerfull) Bound item and is subject to all the normal protections including magic resistance.

If you really need to point it out hardcore

Page 33 under the Light of Death. Third sentence


No Faq is needed as its clearly stated in the Caskets rules

You can, i think its in the TK FAQ. The Casket affects every unit which can draw LoS to it. If any of the units that can see that Casket have MR, then these dice may be added to the dispel roll on the casket. You only add the Highest MR or al potential targets though, they dont stack.

Is that a challenge to my Tyrantdom. I gutbarge like a beast and im hungry -_- RAWR. Other then that yes you are correct.

[The Loki]

To further cement the fact that im always right page 95 of the Warhammer big red book under the rules for magic resistance is that if a unit that has magic resistance is affected by a spell (even if it affects multiple units) you get the magic resistance against said spell. The casket IS A SPELL (Note incantation).


If they decide to still be Stoopid about it tell me Ova Tyrant Loki will Eat dere faces and sleep wit dere wiminz

[Sabeel786]

Im truely amazed at your brilliance Loki.

I just have one point to make about the competition between Loki and Pheonix. You can both most likely write some pretty awesome army lists, but the problem comes slightly later on, when the game is actually played.

One side is gonna suffer from bad dice rolling, and tactics also come into question with this matter. If Davaid is gonna test out each army individually, he would need to fight the same oppenant twice, to make it a fiar test. Or you two get 2gether and have a game of fisty cuffs with the ogre armies youve written.

Sorry is this gets one of you upset. Mainly because a person can write an awesome army list but suffer from really bad luck.

I played a person ranked 17th in all of Europe and i kicked his arse, when i'd only been playing for a month.

[The Loki]

Honostly mate im not overly worried for the fact that im notorius for my dice rolling (have had things thrown at me). 2 weeks ago i made 11 out of 12 regen rolls on a single Irongut then proceeded to win combat break and run down a 500 point tzeentch lord and his unit of Chaos Chosen with mark of tzeentch. I know it sounds like a once in a lifetime event but i tend to pull that kinda nonsense off alot (we switched armies and i broke a 15 gut strong Deathstar with my last 5 chaos warriors and won the game).

[Phoenix]

I just have one point to make about the competition between Loki and Pheonix.

No competition, i just saw Dave's request for a list, and having just posted my new army list maker thread, wondered if i could give his Ogres a shot. The list i made for Dave is the first Ogre list ive ever written, more based on experiance against them and general fantasy ideas i have as opposed to it being based on Ogre Experiance like Loki.
Obviously a lot in a game can come down to dice rolls etc, the odd unlucky roll can end up costing a whole game. With Dave plying though im sure the tactics will be sound, and he is wise enough to be able to make a decision im sure.
Sorry Loki, didnt mean to appear to be taking over your Thread or anything, ill hush

[The Loki]

No competition, i just saw Dave's request for a list, and having just posted my new army list maker thread, wondered if i could give his Ogres a shot. The list i made for Dave is the first Ogre list ive ever written, more based on experiance against them and general fantasy ideas i have as opposed to it being based on Ogre Experiance like Loki.
Obviously a lot in a game can come down to dice rolls etc, the odd unlucky roll can end up costing a whole game. With Dave plying though im sure the tactics will be sound, and he is wise enough to be able to make a decision im sure.
Sorry Loki, didnt mean to appear to be taking over your Thread or anything, ill hush

This thread is about me and my postive brilliance. Put it in the form of a question >_<


And on a serious note the thread is starting to derail. The purpose and function of this is for poeple needing help for or against ogre's and i'd like to keep it on task if possible. If you all would like to talk about how great i am please hijack one of Dave's threads.