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Hey guys. Hope all are well.
Well heres my problem. I'm not the greatest tactician around, I learn easier by seeing than doing. I have a nice ogre army; I love the idea of them which is why they were my first army. But for the majority of the games i played, I didnt utilise them properly. I was of the thinking, march straight up and right into the enemy. Which with my past record of playing them didnt really work to well.
SO after reading on tactics and ideas it seems bait and flee is he best idea.
My dilemme is though, i get the general idea of how it works, but I wont be able to do it properly unless i can get a demonstration or layout or in depth over run of it all.
Does anyone know where i can perhaps see a diagram on the matter; even a video; or would anyone have the time to draw a quick one up? =]
The part i am confused on is the positioning set up of the bait unit and also the chargers you have in waiting. Which should be charging the failed chargers flanks yes?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated =]
Roughly how it works is you have a small unit to do the baiting (in this case Bulls), and they go pretty well in front of the enemy unit you want to bait. You have a unit in support (say, Ironguts), and if the enemy unit charges, you Flee, forcing them to move forwards a little, where they can be flank-charged next round by the Ironguts.
If the enemy remains as they are/moves up/something, you can bash them with your Bulls should you desire.
I hope that made sense.
*sits back and lets someone with a diagram explain it better than he just did*
Archon explained the concept well enough, but there are some things to realize and consider. Only a frenzied unit or a really low skilled general will fall for this often. So, first of all, even if they do charge the bait unit, don't always expect to hit flank because sometimes this will be hard to do, especially if the baited unit is slow because they won't go far with a failed charge. Also, don't expect them to always charge the bait either, if they have a hammer type of unit, they have no need to charge, because if you charge them with your bait because they didn't take the bait, most likely your bait will bounce right off and you won't have gained anything, instead losing your unit. However, if the unit you are trying to bait has hatred, and they don't charge your bait, you can charge them the next round, lose combat, hopefully causing some damage, and they will have to pursue you, thus pulling them forward like your original intentions, just be aware that they get to declare charges again before you do, so be out of their arc with your counter chargers.
In addition, other things to consider, your bait doesn't always have to be bulls. If you set up a 4 man Irongut unit as 'bait', if they do charge, then you get a counter charge and your ironguts will rally on at least a 9 with a musician next turn. If they don't take the bait then your charge will be usually bad for them. Also, because of the odd size of ogre models, consider using things like 2 man belcher units and scraplaunchers as flank counter chargers and possibly another unit to charge the front.
This actually happened to me in one of my few games of Fantasy.
1) A group of High Elf Spearmen (Red) charge a unit of Ogre Bulls (Blue).
2) The Ogre Bulls (green) flee from the charging elves.
3) A giant (blue) is now in a position to charge the exposed flank of the Elves.
And, if your giant is like mine, it'll get a flail with chain for 6 str. 6 attacks and send them damn elves running off the table.
BTW - I made this picture using the online battles stuff from another forum. I hope I don't start an inter-forum gang war.
In the examle below, I used this against a bretonnian player.
L - Lance Formation
I - Iron Guts
B - Bulls
I set up in this formation in my turn so that my oppenant could see all three of my units.
The two Iron gut units were set up, so that if my oppenenant charged the one unit he would end up comtacting both ogre units. I know its dirty, but it forced him to attemp to charge the bulls, or otherwise he was gonna get two ogre units in each flank.
I obviously fled with my bulls, (and was called a coward by some of the people spectating.)
In my next turn I charged the lance formation leaving only two people in the front, and the bulls rallied which made it much more sweeter.
Even though i was called a coward i got to kill his most exspensive unit and his general.
Hope you enjoy this one tactic. The only down side is that i was unable to utilise a bull charge because of how close I was to the victim
(Sorry about all of the stops, but only way I could keep letters in the postion I wanted)
Last edited by Sabeel786; March 7th, 2009 at 20:46.
Sunday 20th July Wood Elves vs. Brettonians
Mission: Flank Attack (Brettonians attacking)
Score: Wood Elves - 4181
Brettonians - 0