Ogre Kingdoms

[WiCkEdRock]

They have a sort of grey skin so that it will look more like 'mongolian', since thats what it's based on, right?
'The Maw', the ogres god, has existed in warhammer for quite a while according to those who have been doing roleplay warhammer. So they're not entirely new i guess.

And has ANYONE complained that chaos dwarves used greenskins? They have both hob-goblins and black orcs.

[Colonel_Kraken]

I suppose, but it just seems different. The insanely wicked and cruel chaos dwarves have greenskin slaves among their untold numbers of slaves, and the ogres have gnoblars as slaves/charms/whatever. It just seems different to my twisted mind, ogres have always been portrayed as somewhat friendly, very stupid and easily bribale creatures. Them having super intelligent goblins (we all know they are the most intelligent race on the planet) as slaves still hits an invisible barrier somewhere in my mind. I guess I really wasnt ready for an army of monsters to suddely appear from nowhere. When I say nowhere I mean where I excpected chaos dwarves, hobgoblins , bull centaurs and mongolian greenskins to live. I always thought of the mongol race being represented by the goblin wolf riders, especially by the two special characters Ogla Khan and Khazak Khan.

[Grimbog Elf Ater]

Wasn't the story behind Chaos Dwarves having hobgoblins / black orcs about them modifying / creating them to be super orcs and goblins to serve them blindly as fodder? :hmm: Seriously, I've heard stuff like that... that's why Grimgor's so grizzles and doesn't speak about his past (i.e. in captivity with Chaos Dwarves) and Ruglad's lads have both heavy armour AND dwarven crossbows.

[WiCkEdRock]

Hobgoblins have joined the chaos dwarves because they are outcasts, the other goblins do not like them. I'll get an explanation on that later, perhaps.
The Black Orcs where normal orcs captured and where made into superorcs (black orcs) through breeding, that's correct Grimbog. But they revolted and broke free from their chains, laying great destruction on the chaos dwarves, and fled to the mountains in the west.

[Colonel_Kraken]

Ruglud's armoured orcs are all that remains of rugluds former tribe of ordinary orcs. The only connection they have to chaos dwaves is the fact that they looted the armour and crossbows from a chaos dwarf vs dwarf battlefield in a now lost hold.

[Bobby_Wokkerfella]

Apparantly the Ogres were attacking numerous borders of Cathay (China Vs. Mongol) when the cathayans decided enough was enough and summoned a giant comet that struck at the heart of the kingdom. Inside the comet however was a giant mouth-like object....THE MAW which the ogres feared and thusly worship as a god (gods can't pay so only phsical intimidation would make them obey I guess)
Anyway thats what they are saying on portent.........

[Colonel_Kraken]

It's what they've been sayingon the GW site for 2 months. It was also quoted off phil kelly in chicago, and those notes were posted here about 3 months ago.

[Grimbog Elf Ater]

So Ogres worship a comet that struck them... and that talks to them / eats them? Who said that there's no comedy element to this army? :lol:

[Abbadon]

Who in the world said ogres were friendly and easily bribed?! They are a very brutal society,although not as brutal as the greenskins. As for knoblers,they dont seem too intelligent from the pictures,more like slaves kept around for amusement and cultural reasons.

And for the record:

Chaos dwarves have to keep a constant flow of orc and goblin slaves in their empire to keep up the intense manual labor required in the forges. The chaos dwarves themselves only number in the thousands,so they cant afford to work on their machines and forges themselves. A long time ago the orcs & goblins rebelled along with the hobgoblins. This was because the chaos dwarves had bred a new breed of orc to keep the others in line,a stronger v ersion of them(black orcs came from chaos dwarves,thats right). The black orcs however rebelled. So anyways the capital of their empire was under seige and the hobgoblins saved it by backstabbing the other greenskins and allying with the chaos dwarves. The chaos dwarves now keep them around to combat the fast moving horse based marauder tribes constantly threatening their empire(since they have wolves and are generally faster than dwarves),and the hobgoblins form a sort of enslaved yet privileged place in society,much like eunichs in china and babylon.

[Grimbog Elf Ater]

I'd say that they quite possibly may be susceptible to bribes, they are described as mercenaries somewhere, right? But friendly, hell no! And gnoblars would be something aking to the relationship between orcs and snots, rather than orcs and goblins!