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I've only played a few games with my Ogres so far. I'm having a problem remembering certain things. One is Fear. Coming from a HE & Empire background, I'm not in the habit of using it. Imagine giving every unit in your opponent's army a magic banner that makes them Immune to Psych. That's the massive game effect I'm causing by being a bonehead!
Another thing I forget is to check for the Gorger to arrive. I look down somewhere in the middle or end of my turn & see the little guy standing there off to the side, like, "Well...am I coming in?" Damn! Forgot again!! Most people I play with would be glad to let it slide and allow him to come on out of phase, but I prefer to take the pain and miss the opportunity in hopes it will improve my memory. :p
With other parts of the game, I have little tricks to remind me of certain rules. For example, when I pick up dice to roll for combat, I always pick up some odd sized/colored dice in the bunch. When I look down at them, it reminds me to allocate attack(s) against the unit champ or characters. When shooting, I've made "ShootingPhaseGuessWeaponsFirst" all one word in my mind to avoid blowing my guess weapon shots.
I'm sure over time I'll get better at remembering our Ogrish rules. My questions for group discussion are: do you also have a tendency to forget? (or am I the only idiot? ) What specifically do you do that helps you remember?
Frank in L.A.
Well, I use Armybuilder, and after printing my army list, I go back and highlight things. Also, I'll write in things next to the model's title, such as "roll stupidity" or "reroll misses." Stuff like that. And I've used a "sequence of play" sheet that I found on the web. I've even considered making my own checklist. I always forget to lap around, which annoys the crap out of me because it's so valuable. Sadly, after a half year, my friends have deemed that I've had enough time to learn the game and no longer coach me on it.
I like your checklist idea. I think I need something like that for my 'Fear' problem. I'm a big Army Builder fan, too. Writing more notes on the list is good (if I remember to read them! :p ). The new Army Builder OK datafile is useable but not 100% as of yet. I've already sent in two batches of corrections. I do jot down reminders for the self-inflicted wound stuff in the Gut Magic spell section (that should really be on the printout). Last night was the first time I took the Halfling Cookbook, and, of course, forgot to use its rerolls...Doh!
An idea just occurred to me for the Gorger. If I could get in the habit of putting the model on top of my tape measure at the end of each turn, the Gorger himself would remind me to check!
Frank in L.A.
Counters aer a great idea and can serve as reminders too. Not only for fear checks and the like but other things as well, like charge declarations as well. I'm actually making some counters for my O&G's to put on units when they're squabbling, charging, fleeing, and so on.
All it would really take for you to be reminded that your ogres cause fear is to put a small sentence on the back of the charge arrow saying 'fear causing - opponent to take leadership check; if combat as normal, if failed hitting on 6's (or whatever it may be)'.
You can incorporate so many things onto the markers (eg. I'm including what each roll on the animosity chart means for my animosity counters) and they make what's happening so much clearer and serve as handy reminders for you as well.
As for the gorger, what's stopping you from sticking a small note with something along the lines of turn 2: 4+, turn 3: 3+, etc. To make you check him at the end of your evey turn, put your turn counter dice on the model so that you are visually reminded at the start of your turn.
Hope that this helps you out!
The iron crowned is getting closer,
Swings his hammer down on him,
Like a thunderstorm he's crushing,
Down the Noldor's proudest king.
Under my foot, so hopeless it seems.
You've troubled my day, now feel the pain.
- Blind Guardian
Fear tokens, bicker tokens, and having seperate colored dice on the table for your gorgers.Originally Posted by Grimbog Elf Ater
Just keep the fear tokens near your unit, when you get into the declare charges phase, move the fear tokens to units who need to test. For the bicker thing, have two sides, one for passed, one needs to test, and remove it when they are bickering.
Eventually, you'll get use to it and won't need these things as reminders. It will become habbit.
Great suggestions! I'll make some round 40k-base "Fear Me!" tokens and place them in front of all my Fear-causing units. That should do the trick.
Bickering, unfortunately, I always remember. But it would be fun to make a little marker with 2 Gnoblars in a fistfight, though!
I remember coming across a website a while back that was selling these very nice medallion-looking markers to indicate fleeing, panic, etc. I figured I'd make my own, but never did.
A bit off-topic, but another type of marker I plan to experiment with is a wound counter. I'll try either a round base or a coin-type marker, with one side indicating one wound suffered, the other side indicating two wounds. I figure if he has no wounds, he doesn't need a marker, and if he has three (with the exception of the characters, giant, & Scraplauncher), he's dead anyway! Right now I'm using dice, but they occasionally get knocked away or accidentally picked up. I was going to rig some kind of peg system or magnetic attachment to each model, but it would take quite a bit of work to convert each one and make it look good. Markers would do the job.
I did make some Gut Magic markers for the 'lasting effect' spells and put a picture up in the Gallery:
Putting the Gorger by the turn die might work, but if I didn't get first move (and didn't have to turn the die on my turn), I'd still forget! :p I think I'll try the tape measure trick, and hope the other guy doesn't have to share mine!
Frank in L.A.
Glass beads work well for wound counters, and you never pick them up to roll dice, so you don't get screwed up and have to appologize profusely to your opponent.Originally Posted by Frank in L.A.
And, odds are, the company you are thinking of that makes tokens is Gale Force Nine (http://www.gf9.com) They make a lot of high quality stuff and I HIGHLY recommend them to anyone in the US