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    My first list in 8ed - 2400 pts

    Hi, I came back to O&G after several years of silence, renewing my paint job slowly. I made up a list for 2400 built of most of my units. I'd like to know what you seasoned generals (or Bosses, rather) could say about it: what is totally absurd, what only partially, what should I change. I'm interested mostly in changes like equipment, magic levels, rank-and-file numbers, Bully etc., I'd like to use what I got. Besides what's here, I have 12 Orc Arrer Boyz (not much use I guess), 3 Fanatics, possibly Pump Wagon (half-ready conversion), Giant (if I finally get to build and paint him).

    Ok, here it goes:

    Black Orc Warboss
    - Armour of Destiny
    - Talisman of Protection - 225

    Night Goblin Great Shaman
    - Talisman of Preservation
    - Channeling Staff
    - lvl 4 - 235

    Black Orc Big Boss
    - boar
    - Ironcurse Icon
    - Enchanted Shield - 116

    Night Goblin Big Boss
    - BSB
    - Bad Moon Banner - 105

    Savage Orc Shaman
    - lvl 2
    - Talisman of Endurance
    - Power Stone - 155

    Orc Shaman
    - Dispel Scroll
    - Seed of Rebirth - 100

    20 Orc Boyz Big 'Uns
    - additional choppa
    - full command
    - War Banner - 250

    20 Orc Boyz
    - shields
    - full command - 175

    50 Night Goblins
    - 3 Fanatics
    - full command - 255

    5 Wolf Riders
    - musician - 60

    5 Wolf Riders
    - musician - 60

    5 Wolf Riders
    - musician - 60

    17 Black Orcs
    - full command
    - Standard of Discipline - 254

    7 Boar Boyz
    - full command
    - Banner of Eternal Flame - 185

    Rock Lobba
    - Orc bully - 95

    Boar Chariot - 85

    Boar Chariot - 85

    TOTAL: 2395

    Should I swap 'Great' for Shamans? Should I resign from 'Black' for Orc Heroes? Spears for Wolf Riders/Night Goblins? Orc BSB instead of NG?

    Cheers,
    Miko


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    didn´t have time to check everything yet, but one thing that stands out±

    the great shaman is a night goblin, that means he gets an extra dice for every spell, but also every spell he casts has a chance to get that ´1´ and then the shaman cant cast anything else anymore that turn.
    id say switch that for a normal goblin great shamans or several hero level night gobbo shamans.

    I can´t stress though at games over 1500 pts, a great shaman is pretty important for magic defence, some armies can be devastating if you do not have +4 to dispel!
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    Good point. But if I took SavO Great Shaman, and NG lvl 2 Shaman, would it be better?

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    Ok, I assumed it would. Today was the deadline for a league army list, so I had to submit one. I've changed some things, converted quickly a Goblin Big Boss on a wolf (I quite like him, I must say) and here it is:

    LORDS - 475

    Black Orc Warboss
    - Armour of Destiny
    - Talisman of Protection - 225

    Savage Orc Great Shaman
    - Talisman of Preservation
    - lvl 4 - 250

    HEROES - 510

    Orc Big Boss
    - boar
    - Sword of Might
    - Enchanted Shield - 96

    Night Goblin Big Boss
    - BSB
    - Bad Moon Banner - 105

    Night Goblin Shaman
    - lvl 2
    - Talisman of Endurance
    - Power Stone - 135

    Orc Shaman
    - Dispel Scroll
    - Seed of Rebirth - 90

    Goblin Big Boss
    - wolf
    - shield
    - Potion of Strength
    - Gold Sigil Sword - 84

    CORE - 775

    20 Orc Boyz Big 'Uns
    - additional choppa
    - full command - 215

    20 Orc Boyz
    - shields
    - full command - 175

    50 Night Goblins
    - 3 Fanatics
    - full command - 255

    6 Wolf Riders
    - musician - 70

    5 Wolf Riders
    - musician - 60

    SPECIAL - 489

    17 Black Orcs
    - full command - 239

    6 Boar Boyz
    - full command
    - Banner of Eternal Flame - 165

    Boar Chariot - 85

    RARE - 150

    Rock Lobba - 85

    Pump Wagon
    - Out-Rigga - 55

    TOTAL: 2399

    Any thoughts? I can't change it now, but if anybody thinks that I should be watchful for something or I don't know what, let me know. And if there's anybody interested, I can tell how it worked after some games.

    Miko

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    ive watched the list and this are my suggestions

    - i dont understand your black orc warboss. armour of destiny gives a 4+ward save so why talisman of protection? ward saves dont stack.
    instead, run an Sav orc warboss with silver armour, luckstone and sword of strife for 250 pts. ive one-hitted stegadons with it.
    - give your savage orc great shaman lucky shrunken head and fencers blades. if you cast fists of gork on it its will be stronger than your general
    - you have way too many points in heroes. just take a BlOrc BSB with talisman of preservation and a lvl 2 night goblin wizard and maybe another random hero.
    -you have 2 orc blocks. make them savage and put them together, so you have an block of 40 savage big uns with add hw so they have 3 attacks each and a 5+ ward save. togeher with you general this unit can take anyhing down.
    - i would replace the the BlOrcs for 6 trolls, or give the black orcs the banner of eternal flame
    - i would replace the boar riders and boar chariot and put 2/3 wolf chariots
    - and i defenitly choose 2 manglersquigs , they kick ass

    i hope i help and that i dont nag too much

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    What do you mean they don't stack?! They do! Rulebook says... oh no, they don't. Damn. I guess I thought, if 8ed changes everything, it changes this too.

    Anyway, I'm sure your propositions are good, but I want to use the models I have, so most of them is out of reach. And also I've already sent my army list away, so all of them are. But thanks anyway, I'll try them out next time.

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    OK, so after three massacres got with the army above, I know for sure it's not a good list. I worked on it some and changed a bit: more Orcs, Trolls, some equipment. Whatcha say? Wolf Riders are there to get a flank charge and take down the rank bonus, but when I learned they don't take Steadfast away, I'm having second thoughts.

    Orc Warboss, Arm of Destiny, Sword of Striking, shield - 181

    Orc Great Shaman, lvl 4, Tal of Pres - 245

    Orc Big Boss, BSB, Ench Shield, Sword of Might - 105

    Nigh Goblin Shaman, lvl 2, Dispel Scroll

    29 Orc Big 'Uns, add hw, fcg, Standard of Discipline - 311

    29 Orc Boyz, shields, fcg - 238

    49 Night Goblins, fcg, 2 Fanatics

    12 Wolf Riders, spears, shields, musician

    17 Black Orcs, fcg, Banner of Eternal Flame - 254

    2 Orc Chariots - 170

    6 Trolls - 210

    Rock Lobba - 85

    Pump Wagon, Out-Rigga - 70

    TOTAL: 2360

    After checking, I have still 40 points. What to do?
    Thanks

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