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I'm an avid fan of WFB miniatures and lore. To date, my involvement with the hobby spans collecting and painting miniatures...I have YET to play a game of WFB. I currently own about 1000 points of Empire, 500 points of Brets, and another 500 points of VC. In addition, I own a ton of Confrontation Goblins of No Dan Kar which are excellently sculpted minis if you haven't ever seen them.
I've recently decided that to maximize the fun factor, I should make an attempt to actually field a playable, fully painted army. Empire seem fun and versatile, and VC probably won't end up being my cup of tea playstyle-wise. I've set my sights on either O&G or Dwarfs, heavily leaning towards O&G.
My question is: Of all the dissing of O&G...how bad are they actually? I've read posts where people say they are broken, underpowered...etc, then others where people say they can definitely win if played correctly (sure this is the case with ANY race). Being a complete n00b to gaming...how forgiving is a balanced (both Orcs AND Gobbers) list? The majority of my games will most likely be at my LGS and with some friends/family, but if I decide to enter a tourney (500 pt escalation) with them...can they show up and not mail it in?
Also, my favorite model in the whole WFB range would have to be the new(ish) Black Orcs. I was very dismayed to read that they are subpar choices for the army. Can they be effective? I'm going to be buying them anyway
I wouldn't say the O&G are broken, I would say that they are a fun race to play. They have the Squigs and Fanatics that can either win you a game or destroy your force. They just suffer from some rules that ALWAYS come out bad for ya. Black Orcs are good, only problem I have is I have to screen them with Night Gobbos/Orcs, so they dont get shot to pieces. Which usually mean they don't get into combat until the 3rd or 4th turns. O&G are decent, they can win a lot of games, except when you start to face the really good generals then you will have problems with the animosity. You can probably compete just fine at a LGS. I have gone 4W 3L 2D with them since I have started. Youll find games that you have in the bag turn completely around with one roll of the dice such is life with the O&G.
Armies: 40k: Imperial Guard, Orks Fantasy: Skaven
O&G are probably the most fun army in Fantasy. A mate has begun playing them recently (proxying models before he decides on buying anything). Given their low Ld, they aren't very reliable, but i wouldn't say they are unforgiving, depending on how you play them ofcourse.
I tend to be on the side of "BlOrcs: good on paper, bad in practice", but i also have the overriding opinion of "If you like it, use it!" Just because there may be more point-efficient options, doesn't mean they are a bad choice.
Best thing to do (possibly) is to come up with a list (if you have the book), a 1K army would be good, including all the things you like/would want in your army and then given your criteria (must include BlOrcs etc) let people comment on it
Edit: Just realised i went off topic from the "How bad are they really?" question. To answer that, they are as good/bad as you make them. Though often, badder = funner (i.e 3 Fanatics per unit, can cause chaos, in both armies!)
Last edited by Phoenix; March 31st, 2009 at 20:21.
I am in love with my green force. They are by far the most fun army to play and the wide range of unit choices makes it even beter. O+G bring something new to the table every game. If you are looking for fun and don't mind losing sometimes because of luck, then you'll love these buggers.
I think everyone has their own personal experience with armies.
I don't do any tournaments, but i do play against people who enter them. If you look at the GT results O&Gs always finish near the bottom, but there's usually only 1 or 2 O&G armies, and 20 DoC. I think they are weak in a tournament enviroment.
To answer your question..... If most of your games are going to be friendly games, i personally think O&G are competitive. They aren't as powerfull as the top tier armies, but your strength lies in a huge choice of troops. I've just recently (last week) lost my first game in 2 years, playing about once a week with O&G
Last edited by waylander2; April 1st, 2009 at 22:41.
They aren't bad at all. They are random. I either win big or lose big. I win more often than not, but rare are the close games. But all the games are fun!
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