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I've always just overlooked this as being 'un-orcy', but then I actually gave it some thought and I think it could have potential.
The idea is that when they're charging/charged, they use their choppas and shields for the extra save/extra strength. Any rounds following that would then swap to spears so that they still benefit from the shields and get extra attacks. The downside that I'm seeing here is that a good deal of combats don't last for more than one turn, so the spears may be a little redundant?
Please reply with experience or advice of taking Orcs with Spears/shields.
You're not allowed to switch weapons after the first round of combat.
On spears in general, S4 and +1 AS (for HW/S) is so much better than S3 that it really doesn't make sense to give them Spears. the only exception to this might be a savage orc big un block with spears and a banner of butchery. I don't field Savage orcs though so its all just theory.
from experience, my Orc units tend to achieve Nothing, no matter how i equip them, the best results i have are when I give them 2 hand wepons and they can do some damage in the first round.. My Problem is that i go against a LOT of Chaos Armies, so my standard Orcs cant touch them.
Against more squishy Armies, then I spose it may make a difference, and i would say you either want 2 hand wepons or 1 hand wepon + shield, (or both, and chose at start of combat which to use).
Fool - I assumed that if a unit with spears charge then they use HW+S for the first round because they don't get the fight in two ranks bonus, but then any subsequent rounds gains them the fight in two ranks again and they switch back to spears.
AJ200 - I would normally take 2 choppas/choppa shield but the theory behind this was that Spears sort of combined the two, but if Fool is right then it's not as good as I thought.
Fool is right, and if you go Spear+Sheild, and you charge, you stil lcant use the 2nd ranks attacks, and you dont get a parry bonus.
Yeah I checked the rule book after I posted and he is right. Spose that makes Orcs with spears pretty naff then, I'll leave that to Night Gobbos in future.
Oh and just to note, with Savages I'd always take 2 choppas. I like to upgrade them to big 'uns ranked in 7's with Nogg's Banner. Use it on a charge and that's 29 Strength 5 attacks. It's an expensive unit but well worth it I reckon.
Orks are slow, and it is hard to pull off a solid charge with them. Sit them back with spear and shield, then when you get charged and they kill your whole front line (happens a lot) your back line can still ruin some days.
However, this tactic is figuring that you are going to lose a bunch of guys at the start, which is what goblins are perfect for.
Orks with spears are not bad, but goblins are a lot more usable for it.
Orcs with spears are pretty useless as they don't really hurt anything. What spears are good on are the Savage Orcs. When they get charged with a frontage of 7, they get 28 attacks. How great is that?
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Mikel2495: I hadn't realised Savages with spears would actually be that good, plus with Nogg's banner they'd get 42 for a turn. Nice! The only thing being is that they wouldn't get the choppa strength bonus, and i'm not sure how you'd convert the models either.
There are some older savage orcs spearmen. full metal i dont think GW still sells it, so youd have to find a seller.
Theres also some people on net giving a guide on how to make your own savage orcs out of the latest standard plastic orc unit (19 models) i tried it, very easy for good result, except for the feet. xD
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