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How come that orcs have so low leadership? Just read what the armybook says about orcboyz: " What orcs have in undeniable abundance is brute strength, made all more dangerous by generous lashings of ignorance. To make matters even worse, orcs feel almost no pain and care little about discomfort, physical hurt, or even death. They enjoy nothing more than violence and will happily face death in battle just so long as they get a chance to put up a good fight first. perversly, this unthinking aggression can work to their disadvantage, as orcs will plunge heedlessly into combat against a vastly superior enemy rather than retreating as would any sensible human."
And thus they gained ld 7. Worse than an elf, and as a human. The only thing they have to back up this is ignore goblinpanic; just as brets do with peasants, skaven with slaves, ogres with gnoblars and so on. I just cant see it fit. Couldnt they have the coldblooded rule or something?
Leadership represents more than just the individuals' courage: It represents how well organized the unit is. Orcs aren't organized all that well
Use Light, Beasts, Metal instead of Heavens
NecroLords: Use at least one Death Mage
Brets: Use Peasants&Damsels
Skaven: Don't use Skryre SAD
No, maybe not..damn it.:hmm: But still, there should be something that represents their huge lust to thump things. ( other than animosity ). I read some rumours on warseer;( new for 7th ed.) When testing animosity, you roll a D6. On a 1, you roll on the animosity table as usual, but on a 6, you get a normal move forward. And once per game, a unit may add their rank bonus to their test-roll, say 3 ranks. Then it would be: 1-2 nothing. 3-4 move forward.:w00t: Gives them the chance to charge more often. As it is now, only 1, then 1 or 6 does any diffrence.
Yes, this seems to be a constant rumour, and I think it would give a edge to the heavy downside of animosity. But the change I like the most, from what I've heard, would be choppas giveing +1 strength on the charge even with 2 handweapons.
As for their leadership, like teron said, they are unruly, disorganised, and very volatile.
You have heard that new choppa rule too? Wonderful if its true! I might not need to sell the two handweapon-boyz now... And ther is more rumours that I saw. I posted the weblink in a post a while ago. Oh, and thanks for clearing things up about the Ld.
Last edited by The Greenskin; August 18th, 2006 at 18:11.
Well I think orc have low leadership because they are dumb and stupid, it's as simple as that.
Let me demonstrate this with an example:
Orc boyz are fighting Empire swordman.
Orc hit swordman and swordman hit orc.
One orc die then one swordman tell an orc:'' Hey we won the fight it's time for you to run''
The orc seem to be thinking about this and then he answer:'' Are you sure about this?''
The swordman reply:'' Yes, yes do you really think I would lie to you.''
The orc say:''Ok then...'' and he starts running. The other orcs see him running and think he is going to steal their food while they are fighting so they start running after him and leave the fight.(That could explain why the orc break in close combat)
Funny. But they cant speak with humans... and the orcs wont listen as they are to bussy doing their favoured hobby: Thumping things. But you might be right that if one start running, the others will follow. Cause they are too stupid to make their own choice and stay...
Well the orc speak and understand the human languague, they only speak it with an accent.
In the rulebook or codex there is an example of a goblin speaking with an elf(before killing him) so I assume that if goblins can speak with elves, orcs should be able to speak with humans.
Yes, probably. In the orc book, there is a short story where a goblin is sent forward to speak with the humans before the battle. " yes boss, in my best man-speak" he says, so I tought the goblin was some sort of translator. Or maybe he was just the one who could speak with the most understandable accent....