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I'm just getting into BFG and I still don't know it very well, I'm thinking of going for Necrons as my next fleet. I can get a 2000 point fleet very cheaply (compared to 40k or fantasy stuff) I like the look of the Necron ships, from what I've seen of them in Armada they seem pretty good. Are they a good fleet to use?
Heres the 2000 point list I wrote up.
I was thinking about putting 2 tombships in, but the points seemed to leap up fairly quickly and I had nowhere near enough... Plus they are pretty powerful on their own I think.
Hey strewart...Necrons are a great navy to choose for BFG for many reasons. One of the big ones for me is that they probably cost the least amount of money out of any other navy because of the high points cost. All of the army lists I've made for Necrons have only been around a dozen ships or so at 2000 points!
Anyway, the biggest dilemma I hear most Necron BFG players talking about is whether or not to include a Tombship. Many claim that it is not worth it to take one because 1. Two Scythes are better, for about the same points 2. if you lose your Tombship, that's 1500 Victory Points and probably the game to your opponent, and 3. It's 500 points, unupgraded!
But personally, I like having a Tombship around. I am an advocate for model variation as much as I am for army composition. Many players (especially in 40k) try to max out the effectiveness of their forces at the expense of model variation. But this hobby is not just how well your fleet/army will do on the tabletop, its also how much fun you have putting your fleet together and fielding it. I say keep the Tombship, but many others would probably say loose it in favour of more smaller ships. (one advantage to the Tombship is if you include it, there's your 2000 point list...and if you drop it, you're right at 1500 points).
As for the bread and butter of this discussion - namely how do the Necrons play, I'm afraid I can't help you there. I'm just getting my own Necron fleet and haven't played a game with them yet. One tactic that I heard works really well is that with either your Scythes or a Tombship and Scythe you can use your star pulses to take out a ton of escorts. Keep two of your star pulse ships together, zoom them into the centre of your enemies escorts with All Ahead Full special orders, then unleash your pulses in succession. One pulse should take down the shields of most of the escorts (since they only have one shield), and the other should obliterate a good deal of them (since they only have one hit). Also, you'll probably damage a few larger ships while you're at it. Just be wary of the counterattack once you're in the middle of the enemy fleet.
Anyway, here's my 2000 point fleet just to give you a look at another list. I don't fancy Dirge's because I think the models are too small and I have heard that they are awkward to use effectively, but of course in the argument of model variation, I say if you like them, take them. This list comes to 1965 points, unupgraded.
1 Cairn Class Tombship
2 Scythe Class Harvest Ships
3 Shroud Class Cruisers
6 Jackal Class Raiders
To be honest, your list would probably be more flexible.
BTW, in case you're thinking about larger battles in the future...one thing I have heard even among those who like Tombships is never include more than one in anything less than a 3000 point game. The extra thousand points means only a few ships for a Necron fleet, but it could mean dozens of extra ships for your opponent...don't go out of your way to be more outnumbered than the Necrons already are.
Sorry that most of this is hearsay advice...I'll let you know more when I play the Necrons myself (which will be a while, as I'm just painting my Eldar fleet now...)
Cool, that helps. Thanks.
I was actually meaning I could take 2 tombships in 2000 points, but if you say people question there worth at all then I will stick with just one. I would be a bit worried, if the tombship goes as you say thats pretty much it for the necrons. But it can always be phased out or run away.
As for dirges, since the Necron list has so few choices anyway I just thouht a bit of everything would be good. I'll check their rules again and if I don't like them I might buy some anyway but get more Jackals for most 2000 point battles. Since I need to order from overseas its pretty much the whole fleet at once, no adding stuff later on.
Well, thanks for the input. You have very nearly convinced me completely on your own.
BTW, what about scenarios tha use things other than victory points to determine the winner? Would necons absolutely kick in them?
i say go with the tombship, cos the model looks awesome, and it's very fluffy, and despite what is said about their effectiveness, they still rock.
remember, Necron fleets are ridiculously tough (2+ brace, it's insane! and fast to boot (inertialess drive absolutely rock!. being outnumber doesn't exactly make much difference for most cron fleets i find.
Yeah, this is excellent! TY Angel of Rust!
Graktoof the vile, victor of 1000 battles, partial credit to 1000 more, and sore loser about the other 8000...
Yeah fluff is always a good reason, I will keep the Tombship for sure.
Anyway, I was looking on GW website and I don't really like the look of the necron escorts... They are a bit boring, all the other ships look really cool, especially the Scythe. So I wrote up a list without escorts, is that an option that can work for necrons? I would be horribly outnumbered, but in my limited experience with Imperials they tend to die with little use.
I kinda think the first list is better, merely because it has more models in it. But this one is completely escort free...
Oh and either list isn't really outnumbered that much, both my Chaos and Imperial lists only have 13 ships each.
Yeah strewart, I think most of us have to mail order our BFG stuff, so I completely understand your desire to get your whole fleet at once. But I would suggest adding some escorts to your second list --- go over 2000 points, but just make sure that if you want, you can play a few games with escorts and a few with your escort free list. I'd just hate to see you try your sans-escort navy and not like it, and not feel like ordering escorts later (which translates into a fleet that will never see action again).
Your 7 ship fleet is ballsy. You'd probably be outnumbered 3 to 1 in most cases...but 4 Scythes and 1 Tombship equal 5 star pulses. That will spank most fleets that have a regular number of escorts, and it will also give Eldar players a heart attack.
I know what you mean about the Necron escorts not looking great...they don't look bad, just not inspiring (but still think about getting a few Jackals, just for variation and a fallback plan if your 7-ship fleet don't work).
And I agree whole-heartedly with applebone: keep the Tombship. Sorry if I seemed to be on the anti-Tombship side. I was just relaying what I've heard other Necron players say, but I thoroughly plan to include one in my list.
I don't know how Necrons would do in Scenarios...but I imagine quite well. Just think of them in a scenario where they have to destroy the enemy's flagship or something...with one target, they would dominate. Just feel it out for yourself. One thing I like about BFG is that unlike 40k, there aren't any really wasted units. Every ship and every navy has its use, wheras there are some 40k units that are just a waste of money. If you and your opponent have equal sized fleets, you'll always have a chance to win regardless of fleet composition so long as you employ sound tactics and play to your strengths.
Yeah buying a larger fleet is probably the best idea, but at the same time I dodn't wat to spend more than $200 aus, which including postage is the first list.
Maybe I should wait until I have enough money, or maybe I should just get the escorts anyway. I suppose I can always proxy if I want to...