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Hi ppl, i just started a space marine fleet cause we want to try a full scale BFG/40k campaign. I saw a couple of threads about marine fleets, and I saw there was a option for venerable battlebarge? I would like to know where I can get those special rules cause I have all the players aids and pdf from specialist games site and found nothing about that.
And if some ppl can give me advice on tactics with marines it would be of great help! I saw the last posts but they are old and maybe some rules may have changed.
Hey mate, welcome to LO and Battlefleet Gothic.
The rules for the Venerable Battlebarge are given in the "Ultramarines" document on the specialist games website. These rules cover a slightly different type of Battlebarge with many lances instead of weapons batteries. Here is a direct link ----> click me
The thing to remember about marine fleets it that you should avoid taking a battlebarge in a small fleet. Though impressive, Battlebarges are expensive and are too much of a point sink in games below 2000 points. Marines fleets should consist mainly of Strike Cruisers and escorts. These are all very fast vessels, meaning you should be able to outmaneuver most opposing fleets. Use this to your advantage and try to get behind the enemy fleet if you can, or flank it and hit it where it is weakest.
Remember that they also have numerous bonuses when boarding and carrying out hit-and-run attacks, so use these to your advantage as well. Try not to zoom into the jaws of the enemy guns just to try and board, but remember that if you are close a marine ship will often be able to board and damage a larger ship quite reliably. Thunderhawks can perform lovely hit-and-run attacks, weakening the opposition before you close to gun range (and they act like fighters too - brilliant).
Marine fleets also have good armour, making them quite forgiving when it comes to taking damage. Don't rely on this though - try to skirt around enemy fire with your faster ships and hit the enemy where they are the most vulnerable - the rear.
Good luck with your Space Marine fleet mate. May you cleanse the stars in the name of the emperor:yes:.
hey thx for the answer!
Just to know, can I use that battlebarge for a grey knight space marine fleet? or only ultramarines can?
and what are the best escorts, I compared the 3 rapid strike vessels from the space marines and the 3 from the Imperial navy, and they cost cheaper but are slower, is it worht paying the extra move? or is it better to take the slower ones and make them move with the strike cruisers and battle barge?
No worries mate, happy to help.
I can see no problem in using the new Battlebarge in a non-Ultramarines fleet. I can't see any rules for including the ship in an SM fleet so I assume you will need to ask your opponents permission to include it in a game at all (i.e. its experimental rules). However, its a Battlebarge and you pay the points for it so I can see no reason why you cannot include it in any SM fleet. Only really pedantic people will have trouble letting you use it.
As regards the escorts... It is up to you really. You should always try and keep your ships together as they become vulnerable on their own, but a little extra speed is no bad thing. It allows you to flank better, and put those escort where you need them. A few cm more speed will allow you to accomplish this with less difficulty, and dont forget you don't have to travel you full speed each turn so the speed difference won't affect fleet formation normally.
I suggest you go for the mix of escorts that suits you. If you would like the extra speed then go for it, if you don't consider it important then save the points. I prefer the marine specific escorts myself, but it really is up to you.