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PaRaSiTe_X92 · May 29th, 2006, 19:52

I've heard in a few articles and suchlike that the citadel paints/brushes aren't very good and you should get others.
I know for paint I should get Vallejo (sp?) and other brushes but how much are these price wise compared to their citadel equivalents? I am not a very good painter and don't spend a huge amount of time per model but I still want them to look good. Is it worth investing more on these paints/brushes, or for the average painter are they not worth it?

LupoLoopy · May 29th, 2006, 22:44

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Originally Posted by PaRaSiTe_X92

I've heard in a few articles and suchlike that the citadel paints/brushes aren't very good and you should get others.
I know for paint I should get Vallejo (sp?) and other brushes but how much are these price wise compared to their citadel equivalents? I am not a very good painter and don't spend a huge amount of time per model but I still want them to look good. Is it worth investing more on these paints/brushes, or for the average painter are they not worth it?

For the average painter, different paints are DEFINITELY NOT worth it. However, a pure sable 2/0 brush in my honest opinion is a fantastic investment for any hobbyist. It's not that you cant use a citadel fine detail brush to do eyes, it's just that it's a heck of a lot easier with something just a touch smaller.

Sir Theobold the Lame · May 29th, 2006, 23:00

i have always found citadel paints adequate- although vallejo are meant to be pretty good.
GW brushes are rubbish when compared to other kolinsky sable brushes by other manufacturers. Even the cirrus windsor and newton brushes, which are of a similar price to GW ones, will keep their points for far far longer than GW ones- you can get them from most good art shops and i heartily reccomend them

CBrate · May 29th, 2006, 23:10

Citadel paints aren't the best but it doesn't mean they aren't worth using.

cadre_of_storms · May 29th, 2006, 23:37

ive always used GW paints and ahve found them more than fine. though i have seen others who have not and they have made some very impressive models.

the brushes there are much better ones out there

rovens · May 30th, 2006, 00:03

Paints are perfectly good, the brushes, i use the ones i have, but i didnt buy those, i would put my money into different brushes, i like cotmans and windor and newton brushes.

mustardknight · May 30th, 2006, 00:32

the paints are pretty good, they just dry fast. As for brushes, I am fine witht the normal citadel brushes, they dont bother me. Some brushes from other places do the trick, I have a tank brush from another company, so it really depends and generally does not matter much.

PaRaSiTe_X92 · May 30th, 2006, 12:47

What I want is a stiffer fine detail brush (well, stiffer brushes in general)? I've heard the Windor and Newton Type (?) 7 are suppsed to be good for stiff fine detail brushes. Any ideas?

cassandra · May 30th, 2006, 23:08

Windsor & Newton are the supposedly some of the brushes you can buy. I've got a mix of Floquil Pure Sable and some other random stuff. I have one Citadel brush, large dry brush, (my pursuit for the perfect drybrush continues...=P) which I've decided is okay for doing bases, but other than that, it's poopy. I won't be buying any more GW brushes unless I'm desperate (painting at a GW, etc. and need something).

I've got a mix of Tamiya, GW and Vallejo. I like the GW bottles - the lid is cool to use to dip pure color out of, but I'm pretty easy going. As long as my paint isn't the consistancy of yogurt, I can make it work. =)

Although, I think the GW paints really stinks. =P Tamiya smells nicer to me for some reason.

PaRaSiTe_X92 · May 31st, 2006, 11:25

I don't find they smell great, but I don't hate the smell so I don't really mind. Just stay in a well ventilated area and you're fine

So, DEFINITELY better brushes but GW paints, yeah?

What makes Drybrushing brushes so special? Is it worth just getting a cheapish brush for this due to brushes being messed up my drybrushing?

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mustardknight Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Montreal Age: 17 Posts: 625 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 48	the paints are pretty good, they just dry fast. As for brushes, I am fine witht the normal citadel brushes, they dont bother me. Some brushes from other places do the trick, I have a tank brush from another company, so it really depends and generally does not matter much. __________________ The gold grey knight man. These are hardy men who like cheese. Ever thought of how cheese was found?: Brother captain `` I say sah, the milk in this barrel smells foul!`` Grand master: ``Oooohhh, give it a go!`` ''Quack, damn you!'' -Jamie heinamen, Mythbusters.

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rovens Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Clacton, Essex, UK Age: 23 Posts: 325 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 61	Paints are perfectly good, the brushes, i use the ones i have, but i didnt buy those, i would put my money into different brushes, i like cotmans and windor and newton brushes.

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cassandra Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Southern California Age: 37 Posts: 131 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Rep Power: 44	Windsor & Newton are the supposedly some of the brushes you can buy. I've got a mix of Floquil Pure Sable and some other random stuff. I have one Citadel brush, large dry brush, (my pursuit for the perfect drybrush continues...=P) which I've decided is okay for doing bases, but other than that, it's poopy. I won't be buying any more GW brushes unless I'm desperate (painting at a GW, etc. and need something). I've got a mix of Tamiya, GW and Vallejo. I like the GW bottles - the lid is cool to use to dip pure color out of, but I'm pretty easy going. As long as my paint isn't the consistancy of yogurt, I can make it work. =) Although, I think the GW paints really stinks. =P Tamiya smells nicer to me for some reason.