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Recently we got a new piece of hardware in the office here, and as the local substitute for a proper IT, I was given the task of setting the thing up for work. However it's a damn troublesome piece of junk.
After going through hell and back to get Win98 drivers for all the onboard devices, I found out that the damn thing has all the speed of a stunned turtle, even though the CPU is a decent Celeron 400. Heck, my old P133 was running faster then this thing. Especially any harddrive operations (load, write etc) take nearly an eternity (for me it means about 2 minutes) to execute.
I found checking settings in the BIOS that someone (presumably the last IT before me who touched it) has tried BIOS-based overclocking to 533 Mhz, naturally in order to keep safe I turned it down to normal level of 400 Mhz.
The motherboard is PcChips M748LRMT. (And yes, I know they've got a pretty bad rep).
What might be the cause of the slowdown? Can it be eliminated?
Get a Mac!
It is a celeron no? celerons arn't good for anything harder than word prossesing. They were made to be low volage prossecors for use in notebooks.
Also if you havent seen this, it might help out a bit (Quicktime sorta has to be instaled)
Last edited by Marlinspike; July 16th, 2005 at 16:14. Reason: More info
ROFL, you do know that mac just signed a a contract with intel, in 2006 the first macs with the intel P4 cpus will be on the market.Originally Posted by Marlinspike
And apple seems to think that they perform better than the current IBM cpu. Read more about it here so I laugh at that movie. Ohh and btw, AMDs cpus aren't even mentioned in that movie so, I laugh at it some more.
Now, back to topic, don't get a mac, the pc probably needs another memory stick and a better OS (get linux and run it as a nice server in a basement somewhere).
Another thing is that the celeron has lower cache memory than the standard Pentium cpus which also can add to that it feels so slow.
True, at the time the powerPC was better, I just linked that so you can see how a prossecor works >.>"
It's an old movie it's not like it's relevent anymore either.
But unfortunantly powerPC is well lagging behind in times, hence Steve Job's decision to go to intel.
P.S. The keynotes when he announces it is funny.
I don't think it is the RAM, or the cache even. Windows 98 doesn't need more than 64 MB, and I don't even think it is possible to purchase a new system with less than 128 MB now. But a check on the paging file usage and the processor cycles can rule it out. If you don't know how to pull these figures, send me a PM and I'll give you directions.
It looks like the processor may have been damaged by the overclocking. Get some benchmark figures (most utility suites can give you a report on them), and we could make a better diagnosis.
Last edited by Corianis; July 16th, 2005 at 16:53.
The whole point of getting a mac is for the OS. Running windows on an intel mac is sorta useless (unless you want the "Good looks" Of the Mac hardware) The hardware in a Mac will be less powerfull than in a PC Box, and thats were the OS comes into play.Originally Posted by Forger of Civilization
Sorry for sort of hijacking your thread I'll stop now.
Stop it right now, both of you. This is not a Mac/PC thread. It is a thread started by horseman to ask for help. If you are not willing or able to help, don't post here. It is as simple as that. If you truly want to discuss the PC/Mac/Unix holy war, start a thread of your own.My apologies Marlinspike, I didn't see this when I posted. I still stand by my points though.Originally Posted by marlinspike
The PC already has all its three DIMM slots occupied by 96 MB worth of RAM. It won't be used as a server, because it was designated to be the admin's machine here (ie mine).Now, back to topic, don't get a mac, the pc probably needs another memory stick and a better OS (get linux and run it as a nice server in a basement somewhere).
Another thing is that the celeron has lower cache memory than the standard Pentium cpus which also can add to that it feels so slow.Which ones would you particularly recommend?most utility suites can give you a report on them
As a note, I managed to get it running about smoothly, altough the motherboard is pulling really weird stunts on me (like when I disabled the LPT port --> entire system went nuts "believing" all of the devices were gone).
Only problem remaining to be solved is a massive delay during boot-up, which as far as my analysis goes is caused by loading the network adapter drivers. Some kind souls on another board advised to try changing the drivers back to default "generic" sort used by Windows. Is there any way to achieve that without having to reinstall the OS _4th_time_over_?
Ok, after thinking about it some more I have some other ideas you could do, do a Clear CMOS to reset the BIOS settings, do a defrag, now if that doesn't help it could be a virus, but as you have reinstalled the OS a couple of times you've probably formated the drive.
Also, it could be that the HDD that is about to die.
As for the motherboard doing wierd stuff, check the condensators on it, if they look like this there's not much more you can do than to throw it away and tell the company to get you another PC as I doubt they can get their hands on a new mobo for it.
Missed that you asked for some benchmark utilities, I would recomended SiSoft Sandra and Lavalys Everest. Sandra is really good as you can compare the results with CPUs etc. Everest is good if you want systemspech information and you can also run some memory benchmarks in it (though I tend to use to check my sensors as MBM5 doesn't support A-Bit mobos).
Defrag (repeated three times in a row) did help with Windows operation speed.
HDD was formatted every time I reinstalled the system, indeed.
And as much as I'd love to throw the motherboard out of the window, it's not that easy. We got this PC because some other office of the party (politics, not real business) has upgraded their hardware and got rid of the old stuff. Otherwise we could not afford one.