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I really miss the good old PC dungeon crawls, party based rpg's.
Might and Magic has gone downhill.
The Wizardry series ended at 8 and it doesn't look good for a renewal.
Ultima is done putting out party based games.
No more Baldurs Gate.
I honestly can't find any good dungeon crawls anymore.
Does anyone know of any?
I guess I will pick up a copy of Planescape Torment from ebay because I heard it was pretty good.
But after that I don't know where to turn.
I guess I will have to look on consoles for something worth playing, is there anything?
Please don't mention Final Fantasy, as I'm already aware it's a decent franchise.
Action rpg's like Neverwinter nights and Dungeon Seige and Baldurs Gate Dark Alliance are ok, but nothing can ever replace a good party based rpg. Anyone that's ever played the D&D: Eye of the Beholder, original Pool of Radiance, or Wizardry 1 - 8 knows what I'm talking about.
I really miss those types of games.
Help please! :wacko:
Last edited by Joker; October 24th, 2005 at 15:11.
Yeah I haven't seen to many of those nowadays. I really enjoy Baldur's Gate games and things a long those lines. Although I enjoy action RPGs, I also enjoy those types as well.
Planescape: Torment is abjectly /amazing/. It's got a definite feel to it that is completely alien to any other dungeon crawler I've ever stumbled across (pretty dark too, but it works well). I personally love it with every bit of my being. Same with Baldur's Gate 2 (I could never really get into the first one for some odd reason...).
Fallout One and Two might be two games that you should look at. It's not as party based as Baldur's Gate, but it is still pretty damn cool (and done by the people from black isle).
I'm addicted to old sprite games myself (the breath of fire series is a particular favorite... BoF3 is my crack cocaine), so it might be something for you to look at. I'm honestly considering getting the new Nintendo Revolution for the soul purpose of playing all of the old nintendo games (that and Earthbound, wee!).
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Recently Disgea, and other games made by the same company have endless dungeon-esk parts of their games. All the games made by NIS, have a lot of great leveling and battle systems. I personally get tired of just dungeon crawling, but the randomly generated areas aren't too bad for that. All of the games are on PS2 though. But hey a PS2 costs less than a gaming video card so that's a plus.
I liked breath of fire 1.
I will look for bof3.
I have played both fallout games and you are right, they are awesome.
They're not quite what I'm looking for though.
I agree that dungeon crawling can get a little old, but some really well made ones can be outstanding. Like Eye of the beholder or Wizardry iv for example. They had such awesome stories and really good pacing that I didn't want the adventure to end!
That's the type of qualities I miss in good rpg's.
For Neverwinter Nights and other action rpg's it's all about the graphics and cool moves and spell effects.
Those are nice, but nothing really beats good story telling.
The early final fantasies, and phantasy star games and bof1 had those elements also.
I own a ps2 so I will look into BoF3 and the Disgae games.
Thanks for your responses, if anyone has anything else to through into the mix, I'm willing to listen, err, uh, read them?
Do tell!!Originally Posted by Caluin
The biggest problems I have with older titles is getting them to run with winXP.
But if these games are redesigned, or there is a way to run them with xp that's non-lethal to my computer I'm willing to explore it.
Oh, and for anyone that's in my boat also, I found some reviews about a ps2 title called Suikoden III that make the game look promising.
Own it. It's quite good. In fact, it's probably the best of the series. Compelling, lots of things to do, and a non-linear story line.Originally Posted by Joker
As for the Gold Box series, I'll try to remember all the ones I used to play.
Forgotten Realms Series -
1) Pool of Radiance
2) Curse of the Azure Bonds
3) Secret of the Silver Blades
4) Pools of Darkness
Those for all go in linear fashion - you can finish one game, and take your part of characters to the next. Pool of Radiance is extremely old school - the first of all the Gold Box series. You're limited to four classes; Fighter, Cleric, Wizard, and Thief. Your best bet is to probably to play through it, and then start a new party in Curse of the Azure Bonds to take through the next three games.
There's a fifth game that you can play, called "Hillsfar" that gets inserted between Pools of Radiance and Curse of the Azure Bonds. It's not really part of the story, though - more like a training module. It's also nothing like the others.
DragonLance Series -
1) Champions of Krynn
2) Death Knights of Krynn
3) Dark Queen of Krynn
All three of those games kick butt. Like the other four, you can take party members through each one of them by importing. If you've ever read the DragonLance novels, you'll even meet up with some famous characters.
There's another series, called the "Savage Frontier" series, but those aren't nearly the caliber of the other series of games. If you like these, you might enjoy the Savage Frontier ones as well. Think there's three.
To run them, you'll need a DOS emulator, and perhaps a decent amount of computer knowledge. Not too much, mind you, just enough so that you know how to transfer files between directories, and how to navigate in DOS. I suggest DOSBox for your emulator - it's top notch, and a very stable platform.
Now, where to find the games? Well, that's another question in itself. I found them off a popular abandonware site. I won't go into it too much, considering that abandonware is technically illegal.
Some other interesting facts - the original Neverwinter Nights was part of the Gold Box series as well. It was first person, sort of like Eye of the Beholder, if you've ever played that (which you should - all three Eye of the Beholder games rocked - you can even find them avaliable for Windows platforms). It was a horrible, horrible game, and very few people actually bought into it. Unfortunately, it was one of the main contributers to the death of the Gold Box series, along with SSI itself.
ahem yes i too have stumbled over those sites...of course ive NEVER downloaded anything from them..thats NEVER.....i remember the eye of the beholder games fondly- in particualr no. 3 was great.Originally Posted by Caluin
Most of the RPGs ive played recently have left me cold, although Morrowind and its expansions are excellent and the Baldurs Gates are similarly very good
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