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Righto, before i dive into PP, more specifically Hordes. I'm curious as to what sort of metal the models are made from, as i noticed with some of GW's metal models, some are a pleasure to drill and pin, while others blunt various bits until i break out the power tools.
For reference i'm planning a legion of everblight army, except as i loathe undead and feel that it would be unsporting of my minions to not have eyes, i'm planning rather major reconstruction on several mini's (most notibally the carnage i have planned for an unfortunate carnivore model (big wingless thingo)). So how easy is it to say, saw off a leg? or drill out some eye sockets? Will i need a better drill bit or should one that can get into most GW metals be fine? (for some reason the medusa V chaplain refuses the drill (so i can't connect his arm 'properly'), but the XV88 railguns are like butter (comparitively)).
Is the metal softer/harder, and how easy does greenstuff stick to it?
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I'm intrigued as to your experiences with GW minis, mine have never been that variable...
The metal is precicely the same stuff as GW use, and is generally of very good quality.
I've only ever had one or two models mis-cast or damaged, and they were from very old (well, 4-5 years old) moulds. Even then, dropping PP a line about a damaged mini will likely result in a replacement part, no problems.
It drills fine, GS adheres fine, and it glues fine.
PS. Just so you know, none of the Hordes factions are in any way undead, not ever Legion. Also, the beasts are very much supposed not to have eyes, they have additional senses that (more than) make up for the loss, and are represented in the rules as such...
Maybe that's just me being set in my ways, though.
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Will i need a special metal/metal glue or will everyday super glue work fine? As for my GW metal experience, its an odd one, it could be my tools blunting with use (unlikely as i regularly switch bits), or my technique (probably not proffessional but i think i'm fairly consistent between attempts at drilling various models (my latest was the space marine chaplain and captain sicarius (old model), neither were accepting the bit so to speak, so after a short 2 week break from any modelling i decided to test the same bits on the railguns of my second broadside, which drilled perfectly, although it still refuses to stick to the plastic, so i've since added another pin and it seems to hold (at least for the game), some of my metal models seem, 'harder' than the others (well not mine but i'm the one who is usually pinning etc, as my brother can't wield a drill for poo)
I noticed the sculpts of the PP mini's (the later ones anyway, i can't say i like the sword attempts on various warmachine units, they look blunt and more akin to clubs), appear of much higher quality than the GW ones, such as model detail, i can't remeber the last GW metal figure that struck me as some of those warlocks do.
As for the undead thing, what about the incubi? They look like they've forgotten to stay down after a good skinning. Or maybe its their paint scheme, still undead/or semi undead (if you can get semi not dead dead???) my main attraction to the legion is the dragons, but when i envision dragons, they have eyes and wings most of the time (unless my dwarf has been having a go at them, then eyeless is quite acceptable ), so basically i'm planning a legion force without the standard pale skin (haven't quite decided on the colour scheme per'se, but i definetly know what its NOT going to be, anything pale/dead looking, pale white with raw red showing through has me sheathing my axe and hefting a nice safe hammer).
Thanks for reply, post christmas i should be able to start posting my very own WIP thread (*idea yoink*), then you can all groan at my enthusiastic if niave attempts at painting and a plethora of (if i say so myself) neat 'convershuns', if increadibly unfluffy.
I find generic super glue works fine (though the models still need to be well proportioned *mutters*).
Otherwise, can't help you, sorry.
the only problem I have had with Hordes metal minis is that they really like small contact points for attaching parts - really makes assembling tricky when your attaching a hand at the wrist! I have got slack and used the greenstuff and superglue trick - done right it does work (that is a very very tiny bit of greenstuff applied to one part of the join - then add a good amount of superglue and then press the two parts together very quickly - the superglue causes the greenstuff to set very quickly, whislt the greenstuff holds the two parts together well - gives the glue time to dry.
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Are you sure the metal mix is exactly the same? I find PP minis much softer/easier to adjust and drill than GW stuff. Although the last GW kits that I pinned were original release Exorcists that'd been on a shelf for 6 years, so maybe they've updated.
Some PP sculpts are definitely not for beginners. Difficult joins that need very precise pins are quite common in some of the factions.
I imagine it's similar but I don't find them any more or less difficult to drill through than GW models. If anything I imagine that GW has updated its metals to be similar to those used by PP as they've become much less of a chore to pin in recent years. I did notice as well that some of the older models from when Warmachine first came out (Satyxis Raiders, I recall) went through some oxidation and became a sickly greenish yellow but it never proved to be a problem or anything.
They do tend to have a lot of very small contact points but I find that pinning them usually works. In fact, I pin most Privateer models as a matter of course, from the Shepherd and Forsaken up to the very biggest warbeast. Most of the time I will just cut out the balljoint since it doesn't fit properly anyway, and for cavalry models green stuff is very useful for joining the rider to the horse. Having tried with both Raptors and the Jeremiah Kraye model I am pretty sure this applies to most factions.
I find the PP models easier to pin for the simple fact that they're larger. On a larger model, you can more easily find a place to insert a pin and, being larger, you can probably drill deeper before ruining an important detail.
That said, though, I don't drill any models unless they're exceptionally large or exceptionally ungainly. The Dire Troll Mauler's arms were cetainly worth pinning, as well as pinning the Trollkin Long Riders to their bases.
For the rest of them, I find their joints are either well-cast enough to where they can be used directly or with just a little filing-down.
(Additionally, glue forms a much better, stronger bond when you clean the parts before joining them. The silicone mold-release agent found on all white metal pieces, as well as the oils from your fingers that come from handling them will prevent the glue from forming the hold it should.)
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Do you mean cleaning as in a detergent hot water bath, or just a scrub down with a metal bristle toothbrush (i've seen both done, so do you bother with the whole bath thing?), it hadn't occured to me that my greasy paws might be preventing my models from sticking, so thanks for the tips guys.
I wouldn't use a metal-bristled brush. An old toothbrush works just fine.
I fill a bowl full of warm water and mix a squirt of dish detergent in there. I put all my parts in there and, one by one, I take them out and scrub them down with a toothbrush, then rinse them off and set them to dry.
Note, you do this after you're done filing off all the flash and other molding anomalies; washing also serves to clean a lot of that filing dust away as well.
WHFB: Dwarfs || WH40k: Imperial Fists, Necrons || WM/H: Trollbloods || BFG: Necrons