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I am a chaos player and am a bit disappointed that chaos armies dont get landspeeders. So i made my own home rules (shown below)Chaos LandspeedersArmour:
Pts Front Side Rear WS BS S I A
50 10 10 10 - 4 - - -
Type: Fast Skimmer
Crew: 2 Chaos Marines
Weapons: Heavy Bolter
Options: May replace hvy bolter with multi melta: +15pts
May be given an assault cannon: +30 or a hvy flamer: +10pts (one only)
May Deep strike
Upgrades: May take Extra Armour: +15pts, May take daemonic possession: +20pts
May take smoke launchers: +3pts,
May take twin-linked havoc launchers: +20 (only if model doesnt have an assault cannon or hvy flamer).
I'd love to know what you guys think!!
I am a chaos player and I think this is a bad idea. Primarily because it just doesn't fit with the fluff. Land speeders were developed post-heresy and therefore Chaos would have a very hard time getting their hands on one that wasn't totally FUBAR'd. Secondly, It doesn't really fit with chaos' aggressive assulty style of play.
I was kind of bummed when I first started playing against marines and saw all the cool toys they get that we don't get (like cheap multi meltas, land speeders and assult cannons)but I believe we completely make up for it with our oblits, karmoon spec termies, cheap landraiders and raptors, 100 point greater deemons, LASH OF SUBMISSION, demon princes etc etc etc....
Giving chaos landraiders would not be balanced IMO
And giving Chaos Land Speeders makes about as much sense as giving Space Marines uber-grit. They're different armies, they just look similar. Chaos armies are in a totally different situation to the Imperial Space Marines, the original legions are pre-heresy, the newer renegades have less in the way of support, and I can't see them bothering to repair the flimsy Land Speeders, especially as, as pointed out above, they don't really fit with the Chaos ethos.
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Land Speeder are very hard to maintain (otherwise you'd see them in guard armies) as grav engines are barely understood by the humans that use them.
Without constant supplies and help from the Tech Priests, the Land speeders would very soon be reduced to scrap metal.
Therefore, if you are using one of the original legions - fluff says you are way to old to have land speeders, they were very rare then, and 10,000 years is beyond the shelf life of the few that were available.
If you are using renegades who have fallen to chaos and are using chaos things such as mutations, daemonic possession or Chaos Icons, then the Land Speeder will already have been reduced to unusable as supplies from the Imperium will have dried up.
If you are using a recently turned chapter that still has plentiful supplies and has not really dabbled in the arts of chaos, then you should be using the Space Marine codex anyway.
Arch Overfiend & Grand Despot
I currently play:
Doom Eagle Space Marines
Hive Fleet Omega Tyranids
Goff Ork Boyz(dead)
Tau of O'me
Inquisitorial Xeno Hunters
and my attempted foray into fantasy
'Dark Angel Green' Dark Elves in need of fluff
I wouldnt mind being able to field a few landspeeders but because they were developed pre-heresy doesnt tie in to my Black Legion at all.
The rules are an indication of what is available generally. There are likely to be CHaos marines with Jet Bikes, and renegade tech priests may have a small stock of grav plates. Some renegade chapters may still have their flying coke-cans, and some may be patched together by Chaos techno-mages for the use of favoured followers.
However, in general the following applied:
1) Land Speeders were discovered pre-Heresy by Arkhan Land, but were not issued in any numbers until post heresy (Land Raiders are in Chaos armies - they were THE battlefield tank pre-heresy, and were also discovered by the same Arkhan Land, hence the presumption both were pre-Heresy discoveries, as to be honest, not much survived on Mars during the battles of the Heresy)
2) Grav plates are not being manufactured from scratch any more, the stockpiles on Mars are being reduced every time a Space marine chapter decides to build a few. Chaos Legions tend not to be able to put in order to Mars for Grav plates, so will possibly have to steal them from battlefield salvage. We know, of course, Chaos never wins any battles, so can't salvage anything from the said battlefields.
3) It is likely that the techmarines, rather like Q in 007 movies, ask that their brethren look after these rather fragile and temperamental machines, and are probably quite good at salvaging what is left of them after they get shot down (in every battle!) and fixing them as much as possible using the original parts. And that they send wave after wave of neophytes/scouts/gruts to secure and recover the valuable carcasses of crashed Land Speeders (the real reason marine chapters are only 1000 strong - they waste so many trops in recovering broken gear)
Thanks for your views.
I think its a bad idea as well, as it just does not fit with csm's!
If you (Kharagon) truly are a chosen of khorne then you won't want them anyways eh lol kiddin.
Yea it just dosnt fit the fluff and further draws the 2 armys nearer to each other. Both armys need these unique units like oblits, scouts etc IMO
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Exiled until 5thED redo...
i don't care what everyone else says this idea has hardly ever been done so i'm all for it just as long as the result looks good lol
Balanced rules, don't get me wrong. I just don't think it fits in with the fluff.