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A friend of mine said today that him and one of my other regular opponents wanted to play without using the "Run" rule.
They still want to play 5th edition, but they want to disallow running.
Their reasoning for it is that running carnifexes are aparently cheesy, and they seem to think that the rulebook states that rules are only a guide and can be modified.
I tried to explain to them that the rule was introduced to balance the game between shooting and close combat, as rules for both have been modified, but they still want to disallow running.
What should i do? Im outnumbered and a little annoyed. I just want to play the game fairly using the proper rules.
I'd refuse to play. How else do they intend to deal with people moving as fast as possible? Hell, in 2nd Ed you could move at twice your M stat during the move phase. Tell them that if they're nerfing your 'nids that you want them at half price. After all, the rules are just a guide, right? Either that, or you should be allowed to consolidate into combat.
They need to learn to deal with fast moving things, if they can't then they're not worthy of the title 'opponent'.
Just say to them "well, I won't play with you, or I can consolidate into assault, or have an extra 250 points, because the rule book is just a guide, right?"
I would try to find some more people to play against as well.
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Or just say fine, but all my bugs have X3 movement, humans can run 6inch as they got 2 legs. We have 6 so i should be able to move 18inches then assault an extra 18 to. Its a guide for two legged beings not 6!!!
They say it's cheesy that a Carnifex can run? Is that because it's a monstrous creature? It's not slow & purposeful, so I'm not sure that outlook is all that accurate. But let's say that a Carnifex is a slow, lumbering beast for the sake of argument. Removing the ability to run is not the way to illustrate that, since even the slowest of walking creatures is able to try to go a little faster instead of stopping to fire guns.
If the in-game speed of Carnifexes is becoming a problem in you group, I would suggest making them slow & purposeful. Also, if that's not enough for your group, they could apply a negative modifier to the Carnifex's D6 roll for running. Actually, a negative modifier to S&P models wouldn't be a bad thing at all. I can't tell you how many games I've seen Plaguebearers go twice as fast as Daemonettes simply because they got better rolls on the run.
Diagnose the problem instead of nuking the whole game. Let your group know that there are armies that rely on the ability to run to get into close combat, especially ones that use Fleet of Foot.
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Just say a carnifex counts a flying that would be funny. Honestly though you will always get people they change the situation (out side of rules etc) to suit them. i have played people with really shoot armies who insist on play the board long ways etc, or close combat armies playing on shoter high terrain boards. In the end of the day all you can do is say you wont play them as there deliberatly putting your army down.
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I think the issue here is that people are afraid to learn something new, or are just happy with one style of playing. I've heard people who only insist on playing pitched battle annihilation games, since it's too "hard" to play other missions.
Crying cheese over running Carnifexes means that they have not begun to grasp the actual concept of cheese. If they insist on no running, then play 4th Edition rules, it was balanced with no running involved. Of course in that edition they'd probably ban fleet due to it being "cheese" as well.
Persuade your friends to accept run as a challenge. Remind them that refusing to learn all of the rules will just make them have no opponents in the future to play with, since everyone is already aware of and using the rule.
Are they saying no run for anybody? or just for carnifex's? or are they wanting to revert to the old 4th edition rules for run (i.e. only people with fleet)
The run rule was added because of the new LOS rules allowing for a lot more open shooting, its pretty rare for any unit to be completely out of LOS, let alone a carnifex. but since everybody also has cover easier They disallowed consolidating into combat to both limit assaulting units but also to make it so that players actually had to support their units, instead of just having an uber combat unit rolling over a side once it got to close combat
If they insist on going back top 4th edition with the run rule I'd say that you should be able to consolidate into close combat. If they insisted on no fleet as well, then I'd tell them to make better lists and stop complaining.
Honestly I've never had a problem with carnifex's, I;ve had to face 4+ of them in a single 2000 pt game and they still didn't see combat even with the run rule, I am guard though
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