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    Lion El' Johnson

    Lion El'Jonson

    WS:8 BS:5 S:6 T:6 W:5 I:7 A:5 Ld:10 Sv: 2+/3++

    Wargear: Lion Armour, Lion Sword, Lion Helm, Lion's Wrath, Frag & Krak Grenades, Teleport Homer

    Lion Sword: Created by skilled artisans and imbued with the psychic power of the Emperor, it was presented to the Lion upon his assumption of the command of the Dark Angels legion.
    Because the Lion was such a versatile swordsman, he may either wield it in one hand, in which case it counts as a master crafted power sword that gives +1 to hit, or he may wield it in two hands, in which case it counts as a master crafted power fist. Any sucesful invulnerables must be re-rolled when wounded by the lion sword

    Lion Helm: Supposedly crafted during the dark age of technology and given to the Lion as a gift by the Emperor himself, this device projects a force field all over Jonson and some of his nearest men. He gains a 3+ invulnerable and any unit he joins receives a 4+ invulnerable save.

    Lion Armour: Counts as artificier armour.

    Lion's Wrath: This is a master-crafted combi-plasma.

    Special Rules:

    Primarch: Lion El'Jonson is one of the Emperor's Sons and benefits from the Primarch Special Rule.

    Fearless

    Independent Character: A Primarch's attacks ignore armour saves and roll 2d6 for armour penetration and follows all rules associated with the independant character rule.

    Rites of Battle(see primarch core rules)

    Ultra-Human(see primarch core rules)

    Master Tactician: All the years he spent on Caliban in total solitude gave him a great inner understanding that made to better understand the teachings given to him by the emperor and war master Horus, increasing the already brilliant tactical skills he gained when battling alongside his brothers in The Order. Before the first turn, but after both sides have deployed, you may redeploy d3+1 units (they must still be deployed in their deployment zone). In addition, if Jonson is on the table, you may add 1 to your reserve rolls (a 1 is always a failure).

    For the First: Lion El' Johnson leads the dark angels, a very proud chapter, as such any units with 12" lose fearless but gain stubborn and counter attack.


    SO what do you thinks? Is it ballanced? How many points is he worth? Most importantly is he fluffy?

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    Hey

    Not bad. Not bad at all. You seem to have captured the essence of El Jonson's commanding authority withn the Dark Angels, although want I wouldn't mind seeing is more of his instinctual nature manifest into reality, to show his abandonment and utter solitude. Perhaps something along the lines of something called.. I don't know, maybe The Lion's Roar, which would make any model within 12" immediately take a LD test or fall back. I believe then, that you would have a balance between the struggle of life that is the Lion. Let's look at it in more detail:

    Stats
    Yes, looking fairly solid. You truly bring out the physical intimidations that come with being a Primarch, and also show the animalistic nature of him being more of a close combat specialist, while still adding in the stern resolve of the gene-seed that comes from the Emperor.

    Lion Sword
    Interesting concept, although I am a little at odds as to when he wields it with 2 hands. Instead, (this is just a suggesstion, and you may simply ignoe this, but this is my preference), how about, when he wields it with 2 hands, the sword becomes a master-crafted Thunder Hammer, although he will strik at Intiative 1, and will instead roll a D6, and subtract that result from his base Initiative? Just a thought, but I do like the concept nonetheless.

    Lion Helm
    Unsure about what to say here. I would agree in terms of the 3+ invulnerable save to El Jonson himself, but a 4+ invulnerable to the rest of the squad can potentially cause some rule issues, especially if multiple Independent Characters are with him. Maybe go for something a little easier to follow rules-wise, like perhaps any unit that he is with benefits from +1 attack?

    Lion Armor
    Good choice!

    Lion's Wrath
    Firstly, awesome name. Second, I am unsure what to think about the combi-plasma. Personally, I think it would be much more efficient just as a bolter, but that's just me.

    For the First
    Seeing as how I suggested to give an extra attack as per the Lion Helm to any unit he is with, how about instead any unit within 12" gains Eternal Warrior, to represent their proudness and loyalty to their chapter and their Primarch

    Everything else is pretty much just as standard, and well versed for the Lion. However, I think that you are getting your rules regarding Independent Characters and Monstrous Creatures. It is MC's that ignore armor and roll 2D6 for armor penetration.

    Good job nonetheless. Rep for this work!

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    Thankyou for your reply. REP. On to business, I will take into consideration everything you have said. I have based alot of the item rules on the rules for Azrael. Secondly I am not sure about eternal warrior because there is not many multi-wound models. I think I will keep with stubborn.

    Finnaly about the rules for Independent Characters. He is an independent character but he also rolls 2D6 for armour penetration. This is to show the physical poweress of a primarch.

    To see the core rules for the primarchs look at the thread "Primarch Project V2", I need help and I am looking for people to help me make the primarchs.
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    I would try to lose some of the Lion preffixes. To be honest, as the guys first name is Lion, having all his equipment also named Lion seems a tad arrogant, even for a primarch. I'm sure there are a million other equally suitable preffixes to use, (Calibans Light or something for the sword?). Perhaps Lion would work for one item, but certainly not more. Also, why Bs 5? I thought the base 6 would work just as well for Lion as the other Primarchs as per the Primarch Project V2 thread.

    Also, not that this is a down side, but he seems to be based pretty much on Azrael correct? Thats fine, as I'm sure a lot of the primarch would come out in any Chapter Master, I just thought it was worth noting that it certainly doesnt have to be that way. For example he doesnt have to have pretty much the same equipment set as Azrael, he could equally wield something completely different. Still, very nice start.

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    Firstly the sword is called the Lion Sword because in the dark angel codex it says that Lion El' Johnson's sword was called the Lions Sword. So I am not changing that. Next thankyou for pointing out the Bs 5, that is a typo.

    I will change the name of the Lion armour. That will become "The protector of Caliban" what do you think?

    Also yes he is alot like Azrael. That is because, like you said, he would come out in the chapter master and so they should be similar.

    If you would like to take part in the Primarch Project V2 send me a message or leave a comment on the main thread.

    Finally how many points would you make Lion El' Johnson and what else would you like to see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by scot246 View Post
    I will change the name of the Lion armour. That will become "The protector of Caliban" what do you think?
    I don't mind the name, although I think that would be a name that would be given to Lion himself. How about instead, maybe "The Helm of Caliban", or possibly "The Armor of Abandonment"? Few suggesstions to get you thinking.

    Quote Originally Posted by scot246 View Post
    Finally how many points would you make Lion El' Johnson and what else would you like to see?
    Taking into account the points cost of Azreal, as well as Logan Grimnar, whose rules and weapons are very similar, and because he is a Primarch, I would have to say something along the lines of about 320 points.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkuli View Post
    "The Armor of Abandonment"
    I like it. Also, just a thought, could the helm perhaps be the same one which Azraels little robed creature holds for him? As in it is an actual relic from the Primarch, and perhaps use the same rules? I dont actually know the fluff regarding that helm or anything but its an idea.

    As far as points go, I'd probably be thinking 350, just out of the sheer principle of having a primarch on the table. You could maybe through in a nice little bonus rule or something if he needs a buff, but my idea of primarchs would not really fit into much less than that points wise.
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    Right i didn't really read everyone else's post but i hsall add this... i don't agree with the rules and base stats for the Primarch Project. And I'm Pretty sure Lion's Wrath was made after the Heresy...

    Here's what i have for my Lion El'Jonson rules... we have quite a few similarities to some extent I'm glad to see everyone else who write's Lion El's rules seem to follow the same idea

    Points 375
    Ws 8
    Bs 8
    S 5 [8]
    T 5
    W 5
    I 7
    A 5
    LD 10
    Sv 2+

    Wargear: Artificer Armour, Plasma Pistol, Lion Sword, Frag and Krak Grenades, Lion Helm

    Special Rules:
    Lion Sword: Master Crafted Power weapon, base strength 8, +d3 Attacks on the Charge.

    Lion Helm: Same rules as yours

    Fearless

    Eternal Warrior

    Master Tactician: Same as rights of battle plus all Dark Angels Have Hit and Run (btw i'm liking your counter attack idea instead), If Lion El' is slain than all D.A. (including the Fearless ones) must take a Morale check at -d3. Test is taken once but the -D3 Lasts for the rest of the game.
    Orbital Strike: (As space Marine Chapter Master) in Games of Apocalypse this is swapped with the Strategic Asset "Obrital Bombardment"
    Independant Character

    Hero: In close combat Lion el must allocate all of his attacks to any independant characters or monsterous creatures locked in the same combat if able to do so.

    {Notes: as a template i used a mixture of Abaddon's and Angron's Stats, i felt Abaddon is the closest thing you can get to the average Primarch whereas Angron Being a Daemon Primarch augmented by his daemonhood i felt primarchs would be tougher than abaddon but weaker than Angron...if that makes any sense?}
    Last edited by cypher371; September 10th, 2010 at 15:17.
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    Is there any way to make El Jonson?
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