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Does any one have any idea what type of vehicle the average Jo would drive in the 41st Millenium I dont think I've ever seen any fluff about it in all my years of playin, u cant tell that when Mr and Mrs Imperial Guardsman run out of milk they jump in their chimera and head of down to the tescos 24 hour garage they must have vehicles of some kind because it mentions roads in the cities of death book, on that note I've been thinking about rules for civilian vehicles in city fight as a sort of Destroyable cover, something with a low armour value so it can b destroyed by basic weapons say 7/8 all round, I think it would add a nice touch,
Any one got any ideas on this or already play with rules like this?
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i know in the genestealer cult rules you can find a drawing of a cult limo, it essentially looks like a classy rolls or something thats tooled up to look futuristic.
i would imagine that they'd look like any other car we'd imagine form the future, im thinking BTTF part 2 maybe.
Non-military vehicles have AV 9. That's about the only thing I've seen about them rules-wise.
Background-wise, I'd expect the overwhelming majority of Imperial citizens don't have vehicles of their own. The streets of Imperial cities probably exist so that the teeming masses of humanity can trudge to work on foot. Elite Imperial citizens who can afford the priviledge probably have fancy cars that are driven by servitors and look a bit like those limos above. The Imperial Guard is sure to have loads of support vehicles that probably look pretty much identicle to modern-day military support vehicles.
In the 2nd Edition Eldar codex, there was a drawing of an Eldar in a kind of convertible hover-car next to a craftworld pyramid.
Orky vehicles are pretty obvious.
Tau probably have non-military vehicles, though I bet they're rather uniform in appearance and not privately owned, but rather assigned for those whose duties require transport.
Last edited by JOHIRA; October 24th, 2006 at 01:35.
Strueth those limos looks pimpin'... :x thats what the cats say these days isn't it???:rolleyes:
Anyway, yep as JOHIRA said AV 9 is for civ vehicles. But I'd also agree that the majority don't really own vehicles but either walk to work or live next to their place of 'employ' in big places of 'acommodation'... Like a big pig pen.
Though I did read in a Black Library book about a guy on an agri planet just using a horse and cart, but the horses weren't horses but some other beasts of burden
Oh, and back to the original question, I reckon that diplomats and things would probably have something like an airspeeder that floats above the ground.
Last edited by Solo; October 24th, 2006 at 03:03.
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Wasn't hovertech declared heresy by the ecclesiarchy or something like that...?
(Sorry to go offtopic, but I would like an answer to that question.)
I think civilian work vehicles (tractors etc.) being AV 9 is right, but for just a 'car' in the future? I think a lasgun should have at least a chance to melt the tires off a car.
How about AV9, but if you hit, it autoglances, and if you glance, it autopenetrates?
(There are no weapons mounted on buses, Arm. Destroyed is immobilised)
(*Special Rule: Hit = Autoglance, Glance = Autopenetrate)
1 Guardsman fires lasgun at Civilian Transport (unarmoured bus) (AV9 with special rule)
(Any hit becomes a glancing hit. As the Lasgun does not have an AP value, it can only glance.)
16% Crew Shaken
8% Crew Stunned
50% no damage
1 Space Marine fires Bolter at Civilian Transport (unarmoured bus) (AV9 with special rule)
19% Crew Shaken
14% Vehicle Destroyed
12% Crew Stunned
2% Vehicle Explodes!
33% No Damage
Now, for the results without the special rule.
1 Guardsman fires lasgun at Civilian Transport (unarmoured bus) (AV9)
2% Crew Shaken
1% Crew Stunned
1% Vehicle Destroyed
94% No Damage
1 Space Marine fires Bolter at Civilian Transport (unarmoured bus) (AV9)
6% Vehicle Destroyed
4% Crew Stunned
4% Crew Shaken
2% Vehicle Explodes!
78% Chance No Damage
Which is more realistic, a Lasgun having a 50% Chance to damage a bus, or a 6%?
For reference, a Lasgun has a 3% chance of damaging a Space Marine in Terminator Armour. Basically, I am saying that Terminator armour is about 17 times more resistant to damage than a bus.
Or, the bus could be AV9, making Terminator Armour only twice as resistant to damage.
I think my special rule is more realistic than just AV9.
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watch star wars epoisde 2, there is a scene with futuristic cars
Except that we think that Hover Tech is either forbidden or expensive, so no massive ammounts of hover cars.
Also, the worlds of the Imperium are so varied, a lot of them being at a technical level just barely past modern earth. Alot of them are agri-worlds, where tech is limited to hand carts and horses (grox, etc.) The high tech places are usually Administorum worlds, Monasteries for the Adeptas Sororitas, Astartes, or Mechanicus. Worlds are very specialised, so a forge world may not have a basic piece of technology, especially if it is not needed to complete the purpose of the Forge World (whether it be food, raw materials, or finished product.)
I think hover tech SHOULD be common, but for some reason, it isn't. :shrug:
Last edited by Astantia; October 27th, 2006 at 17:52. Reason: I have made a spelling error.
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Astantia: Awesome special rule you've got there! I think that would appropriatly describe civilian transport vehicles in game terms. It would be fun to just go around and blow up civilian vehicles for the heck of it! (Hell if an IG lasgun trooper could blow it up, imagine what any other Heavy weapon could do!)
You could even place them as 'barriers' or 'obstacles' between buildings. As they are vehicles, they would fall under the vehicle damage table and wrecks rules. It would be cool to count them as difficult terrain normally, then dangerous/impassable terrain when it becomes a wreck. And of course the car has a fuel tank full of prometheum, doesn't it? It could also very well explode or be annihilated, wounding surrounding models.
This would create a dillemma: climb over/around the car and possibly have your opponent blow it up under your feet, waste a shooting phase to blow it up before you get there, or take the long way around. You could also turn that same trick around on your opponents as well. It could add an extra strategic element to your cityfight mission, or a special campaign mission.
Again, some good thinking there!
However, I would agree for the most part with JOHIRA and Solo in that hover cars, while viable, would be reserved for the richest of the rich, and the elitest of the elite. Unless its a heavily industrialized hive factory, I would guess that you wouldn't see many hover vehicles. While not the best visuals, the genestealer cultist's cars in that one picture would pretty easily describe a Planetary Governeror's or diplomat's limo. While I'm sure there are many other vehicles out there, the major populous would walk, or take mass transit to wherever they were going. Think New York City; its actually easier to get somewhere by foot or mass transit than by personal vehicle. What this means is that youre going to find mostly industrial and mass transit vehicles in an Imperial city.
As far as the Eccesiarch outlawing them specifically, I would have to say no. They have outlawed sentient machines in particular; machines that think for themselves without a biological basis to the technology. (The machine spirit is actually a bio-computer made up of human cells, organs, and tissues. Kinda like dreadnaughts, servitors, and servo-skulls.) This outlawing of a specific advanced technology has translated into a fear, loathing, and misunderstanding of all technology, espeically advanced ones. The only ones who are allowed to have knowledge of such archeo-tech are the Adepts of Mars. So while hover-cars wouldn't be 'banned' or 'illegal', they would be VERY rare, espeically ones just for personal transport.