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im relatively new to 40k, and i think the apocalypse stuff looks pretty cool, but i have some concerns. first is money. being a college student im not exactly loaded, and honestly this stuff looks like it is going to be really expensive. based off of the first point, i am worried that after this comes out that playing smaller battles will become obsolete (meaning u have to buy a ton to be able to actually play). i mean, i love seeing all of the creativity and freaking awesome models, but im not quite that high caliber gamer. i know nobody is forcing me to buy it either, so more power to ya if you are able to make an army that large.
secondly, (this is a honest question, not a rhetorical one), do you guys think it will be fun to just have ridiculous weapons that kill everything so easily? i mean they sound cool, but it seems to me that whoever goes first has a lot better chance to win...
im not saying im against it, cuz i think its a great idea. im mainly just wondering if this is the direction 40k is going to be heading into from now on, and if the 1500-2500 games will become extinct.
Please give me your opinions.
amen to that
i was going to post a similar thread earlier but the comp crashed :/
but yes, i was going to mention that having all these super-weapons being created will just turn the game into a nuking contest rather than a proper battle,
i also think that chaos will has large amount of variety, seeing as they are able to use traitor guard, demons, imperial vehicles/titans etc, along with their own wacky warmachines... seems to me like they could be come a nasty army to face :s
as for Loyalist marines.... they dont have anything that shoots over 48"s... you could create a super-weapon to counter that, but can you see what i mean? :/ but then again they do get to use drop pods i spose, getting them where they are needed almost instantly
but yes, i am for the idea too, but i think there are a few points that need to be thought about :yes:
i too am low on cash :/ but i wnt mind getting a few new models here and there, but i will stick to what ive got, i dont want to be getting everything that every1 else is getting too
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yeah, i am going to steadily keep on collecting models, but after hearing the descriptions of some of the sets offered i was kinda surprised. i just hope it doesnt kick smaller battles off of the map...
I think you are worrying over nothing. Apocalypse is just a different way of playing 40K just like Cities of Death. Standard 40K is still gonna be the normal gaming mode for 90% of games.
I would agree with most of your points. I thinkt that if things become to insane im just going to buy A apocolypse box but use use it for standard 40k. I mean i play a handful of diff. armys but to be able to max out on a whole 2000-3000pnt force with just one box i think will be awesome. Wheather or not apocolypse is a success tho I 100% refuse to give up on the tactics and fun of traditional 500-3000pnt games. I really hope that this isnt some scheme for gw to a make more money, because that would prolly cause me to lose what little faith i have left in them. O well. Cheers:ninja:
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Anyway Megalodon is right. This is going to be just like cities of death. A few games would be this, but mostly there will be played normal battles...
From a company point of view, it would be idiotic to move 40k in a direction that dictates more high-end purchases, as GW as already hit the boarder for what most can afford. To push further would be killing all potential beginners (and we all know GW loves beginners... I just think it is good that the guys who've been around for a long time finally get some reward (if I were GW i would have done it differently, but thats a story for another time)
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Well, I've got some mixed feelings about Apocalypse. I've read through the rulebook at Games day, but it's nothing to get overly exited about or a reason to buy more then usual.
Also, the boxsets... while some of em are nice, I think some of those are a bit insane. A apocalypse boxset would come in nice if you could use the models in normal games as well, but seeing a 10 leman russ boxset, I doubt it'll see play besides Apocalyse. Or even the boxsets that are released that are so overly big, you'll probably have things painted up.. .and then, the next expansion book arrives. I mean, an entire marine company. 100 marines, 9 rhinos + 1 razorback... sure, marines are painted fairly easy, but if I see myself, I could spare 4 hours a day painting each day (given that I do not engage in a social life after work). So it'll take quite some time to get it done.
As for other models... the baneblade that comes along.. nice to see it come, but I guess it'll only see play 1. in apocalypse games 2. or with some friends at home. Most tournies don't allow superheavies so buying tanks or other models just to use em whenever someone even wants to play apocalypse games. Kind of a waste I think. I had this discussion with some guy in my local GW store. We were talking about the new Landraider. 72 inch lascannons... hows that for fire support. Let's hope we don't end up seeing that thing in casual games and it stays Apoc. only. What other armies have 72 inch weapons that can take the thing apart? I can name a single low-armor Chaos unit.
From a gaming point of view, you need bigger tables. pretty much double the size of a normal table. 96 by 48 inches or so. I have a hard time believing that my local GW store can even utilise a table that big (given the store isn't that big).
I feel that with apocalypse GW actually wants this the way to play Warhammer, but with (current) rules it's not viable, thus we need an expansion book. Weapons above S10 aren't possible, so we name em Strength D weapons. Strength D weapons should be bigger, so what the heck.. make bigger templates. In a game like that the last and only thing standing would be something like a Baneblade, which I think is a shame given that even models like a Guardsmen should be able to make a difference in a game.
I know this sounds a bit like a rant... I have a tendency to rant about something whenever I start typing and it's not a question. But it should be quite clear I'm not to fussed about the majority of the Apocalypse thing.
Apocalypse is generally not going to be played in most game stores. It's going to be played in game clubs and in private residences. It really is geared towards gaming just for the sake of having a good time with your buddies or club mates.
If you don't have 3000 points combine your 1500 point army with your buddies and you'll be good to go!
Bottom line is Apocalypse is what you make of it, so make it fun, or ignore it and play standard 40K.
I much prefer the idea of CoD over Apocalypse. CoD is much more than just bring as much stuff with the biggest guns to the table, and you're using cover and movement in different ways to normal.
Apocalypse...if I wanted to play a large game, I'd rather set aside a day and use the standard 40k rules (with super heavies if necessary). HQ and elites cease to be relevant and it turns into a game of Meat and Metal.
While that's no doubt the objective, I like the more niche and characterful units to play a role. Farseers, librarians and the like are just going to get obliterated turn 1, which is a bit of a shame.
And I'm not sure I want to play a game where the deployment takes longer than the game itself .
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