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Wow. The new daemonettes really ARE a means to make me not want to collect slaanesh.

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#1 ·
And more than that - if these new minatures phase out the current metal range of demonettes, it will be a loss worse than any other that has befallen the hobby yet.

I was browsing over on warseer rumours just before (yes, I know, at least I'm not a full traitor as I don't actually have an account over there :) ), when I saw a thread on some new chaos demons - Juggernaut, bloodletters and daemonettes .

The Juggernaut was pretty good, not sure about the bloodletters, but I am sure about the daemonettes. They really, really, really stink. I was thinking about collecting a warhammer fantasy chaos army, lots of demons (slaanesh and tzeentch), but now I'm not so sure...


P.S I hope this hasn't already been talked about at length here. I'm tired and didn't bother searching the forum for similar posts - for which I apologise! :)
 
#31 · (Edited)
i was physically sick when i saw them in the cabinets, daemons wearing corsets? with crab-like hands? funky hair!!! arrrrgghh!!
i better stock up on the old models, they look more, hmmm Slaaneshi. in a couple of other threads i agree that GW is leaning towards selling the game to kids, KIDS!!! has anyone seen some of these models? they are so horrifying to a child it would leave them screaming in the middle of the night over their grotesque appearance. my, what the world has ended as...

sorry to change the subject, but i've also seen for the first time the new Spawn models (i don't buy their crappy cataloue, ahem magazine) they look horrible! and like sick cartoon characters! seriously, i thought GW was pulling it'self out of the pan...

and i still think the daemonette mini's stink :X

sorry for ranting fellas but GW make me so angry at times

-Kai-Itza-
 
#32 ·
hmmm with a abit of work removing the big arms and legs these well fit the bill for my Dark Eldar army. Oh and removing the tentacle things or model them like hair or something.

Hmmmmm possibilities
 
#33 ·
I barely even wanted to sully my tongue talking about these models, but I had to have my input.

I can sum it up in one word: hideous. Everything about them is ugly, from the human faces to the crazy duck flippers. I mean, what Guardsman is going to think twice about hacking up a platypus? And Slaanesh is meant to be alluring...

-rushes to online store to stock up on Daemonettes-
 
#34 ·
Can someone post pics here please? I am currently only able to use a work computer to get my Warhammer 'fix' and I can't see the pics on the Warseer forum.

Cheers
TOMB
(My Blog)
 
#35 ·
i think we all need to send a mass email to GW and let them know how terrible these models are. I was out of the hobby over the last year and got back into in August. And while I was gone it seems that GW is going back to the lame, static poses they used to have and sculpting minis that are, meh, I mean the new spawn are OK, but nothing near as cool as the metal one they released. And these models, well, if i wanted them I'd just buy the classic ones because thats pretty much what they look like. Their poses are very 2 dimensional and those crap(b) claws are ridiculous and not frightening at all. A women with 4 breats, giant daemonic claws and tentacle hair? THATS SCARY. women in corsets with oddly shaped crap(b) claws and webbed feet? meh.
meh meh meh meh meh meh
GET IT TOGETHER GW!
 
#38 ·
I have to say that I was not going to buy the now classic Daemonettes because of the cost. I instead was going to use Dryads as the Lesser Daemons. After seeing the new sculpts, I think that I will pick up the "classic" ones because I have to admit that the Daemonettes were what initially attracted me to collecting a Slaanesh army.

I have been toying with a more Nurgle-based army.. mostly for the conversion potential.

My current army design is a renegade army comprised of Slaanesh and Nurgle forces.
 
#43 · (Edited)
Well, I finally got to see a pic of these miniatures. The ones that made you guys say things like:


a loss worse than any other that has befallen the hobby yet.
They really screwed up here, they look horrible. HORRIBLE.
I barely even wanted to sully my tongue talking about these models
was physically sick when i saw them in the cabinets,
Now, I know that most of the posts in this thread have been reasonable appraisals of these minis. Some have been funny. Some posters even like them. I looked at them, I thought they were ok. But I can't shake the mental image of just a couple of you guys staring at the pictures, fists clenched, chest tight, tears welling up in your eyes, so frustrated, so disappointed by GW.

I know what would be good: if GW sold you perfect miniatures. Every time. Forever. All you have to do is agree what perfect is, and we can crack on!

But hang on, GW is a business. They employ people, ordinary, talented, imaginative human beings doing the best that they feel like doing that day, to sell a product, to make some money. That's it: Product. Money. This is what every company in the world does. It makes no difference if they are selling you games, movies, cars, TVs. They make some decisions and put a product on the market. You look at it and you might buy it.

It's not going to be great every time, and it's not going to be what you want every time. But, its only a game. If you are getting upset, if you aren't having fun, why are you still playing?

I am not saying be complacent or give up. You should make your opinions known. But crying won't make GW change anything.
 
#45 ·
I am not saying be complacent or give up. You should make your opinions known. But crying won't make GW change anything.

Yeah, there is some truth to this. But still, I am just wondering who made such a bad decision as to actually release these minatures when the current ones are just so much better.



However, I must admit I am still holding out a slim hope that these will be some new kind of daemon unit, and not daemonettes. Even though they were supposedly labelled as daemonettes. Hoping. Hoping...
 
#50 · (Edited)
id like to see the sales figures of these compared to the current ones.
Does anyone know what sort of market research GW does? I bet that and their sales figures are well hidden. A lot of companies would want to keep details like that closely held, because they don't want customers or investors asking awkward and detailed questions.

It would be nice to think that GW staff checked Librarium and Warseer for the mood of their buying public (at least the part of the public that buys GW for themselves, and posts in forums - you won't see much of the parents that buy GW stuff for their kids) but they would have to set their mental filters to know when people were being serious/critical/stuffy and when they were being silly/moody/whacky/fun.

And boy oh boy we like our rumours, don't we?

Oh - and if you do kill anyone, make sure you mount the corpse on a post outside a GW shop AS A WARNING TO OTHERS!
 
#52 ·
Does anyone know what sort of market research GW does? I bet that and their sales figures are well hidden.
I'd be intrigued to find out the share of GW's income is by age bracket. Given the price of GW stuff, I wonder just which age bracket GW are really aiming at? 20 (or even 30) somethings with a job and no family responsibilities, or perhaps the 30-45 somethings that are drawn into it by their own children since that's where the serious money has to be. Either way, certainly not the 10-20 bracket simply because they don't have the capital to keep up with GW's constantly rising prices (which are staring to make even me blanch!)

~ Ravenscraig ~
 
#54 ·
i really dont like them!!!

nuff said really.

But they remind me of harlies, and at least they look better than lahmian vampires (THEYRE supposed to be pretty!). Very happy i got 24 of the buggers while collecting EC.

Thanks

Archnomad

P.S. Heretics! only us scotsmen of the forum may refer to kilts! :drinking:
 
#55 ·
wow, they aren't too well done. The faces are bland and do not look attractive, as daemonettes are supposed too. How are they going to attract that desperate guardsman looking like that:D. They are also lacking a lot of detail, which is something almost expected looking at the other chaos models realeased, but converters will have a field day. The worse looking the model, the better for converting.:)
 
#58 · (Edited)
I'd be intrigued to find out the share of GW's income is by age bracket... certainly not the 10-20 bracket
Although there has got to be a significant proportion of revenue from parents buying for those age groups. I think that's because a lot of parents would rather have their nerd kids socialising, painting and playing, rather than spending their spare time on the gamestation or the interwebs. (Possibly writing in forums.)

People are entitled to express how they feel about the models without being accused of crying or of having lost the fun of the game. Since we cannot rely on facial expression or vocal inflection to communicate how we feel about something, we sometimes turn to stronger language than is necessary. Heck, sometimes we get melodramatic just for the fun of it.

The majority opinion expressed doesn't seem to be "I hate GW and I hate this game because the new Daemonettes are not the perfect figure" but simply "I don't like the new Daemonettes. I like the old ones better". And I agree with them.
Those are very good points, and well made. However, if someone is melodramatic enough to say that a set of miniatures is enough to make them physically ill, or make them quit playing a game forever, then I think that the occasional jibe is warranted. On the other hand, a well expressed argument - with humour and a light touch - might impact more positively on the hypothetical lurking GW management.

Imagine:
Scenario 1. "Boss, we have to make better minis. These ones made a guy on Librarium Online sick."

Scenario 2. "Boss, we have to make better minis. Some guys on Librarium Online said they were flat, two dimensional. They also said that they preferred the second edition minis, and would have spent some serious money on more figures like them."

The second scenario is more like what most of you are saying. Keep it up!

But, if you say you are going to vote with your dollars/pounds/imperial credits - make sure you follow that up. I have seen forums where fans of a product (okay, it was Lego) were aghast at a colour change that, if you believed the anguished posts, was the end of the entire world. But as much as they demanded stocks of the old coloured Lego bricks be maintained for internet sales, they just didn't buy that many. So Lego probably felt that they had made the right decisions and kept selling to their mostly silent customers (parents buying for kids) and not the loud but uncommitted adult customers.

Conversely, about ten years ago, Lego was oversimplifying its pieces to make them more appealing for younger kids (4-6) so they could quickly build what was on the box lid. For instance, the chassis of a car would be one I shaped piece with axles already attached. People generally complained that this 'juniorised' Lego wasn't what made Lego appealing. I still hear people walk through the toy aisle and say Lego has become too specialised. But current basic Lego sets contain much more general Lego, which apparently is what the paying customers really want. (Future Lego sets contain Orks, Dwarves and Trolls, which is what I really want.)

Cheers
TOMB
 
#59 ·
But, if you say you are going to vote with your dollars/pounds/imperial credits - make sure you follow that up. I have seen forums where fans of a product (okay, it was Lego) were aghast at a colour change that, if you believed the anguished posts, was the end of the entire world. But as much as they demanded stocks of the old coloured Lego bricks be maintained for internet sales, they just didn't buy that many. So Lego probably felt that they had made the right decisions and kept selling to their mostly silent customers (parents buying for kids) and not the loud but uncommitted adult customers.

Conversely, about ten years ago, Lego was oversimplifying its pieces to make them more appealing for younger kids (4-6) so they could quickly build what was on the box lid. For instance, the chassis of a car would be one I shaped piece with axles already attached. People generally complained that this 'juniorised' Lego wasn't what made Lego appealing. I still hear people walk through the toy aisle and say Lego has become too specialised. But current basic Lego sets contain much more general Lego, which apparently is what the paying customers really want. (Future Lego sets contain Orks, Dwarves and Trolls, which is what I really want.)

Cheers
TOMB

Err, tomb, a couple of years ago, people did start voting with their money and Lego got into such dire straights that they had to sell off all of their theme parks apart from the one in Danemark. And not because the theme parks themselves were money sinks, but they needed cash fast, and selling equity was a quick and easy way.

So, I don't think your analogy works.

Plus, your snide comments about writing on forums and your sarcasm doesn't come across well, and sounds to me dangerously close to flaming. Be careful or the mods will be down on you or someone with a rep hammer.

Other than that, there are also some good points made. And well done.
 
#60 ·
In Tombs defense... I did not take the gibe about posting on forums as a negative but as a joke, since he himself is posting on a board....

(Re-Railing Thread)

The new Daemonettes are plastic.... but that is the only thing positive I can really say. I think the sculpts are cartoonish. They have lost the Slaanesh flavor that, as I have said before, intially drew me to collecting a Slaanesh army.

I am currently redesigning my army and I think that I will have to seriously consider what daemons I want to put on my list. With a different paint scheme and army composition, I am now considering the "old" Daemonettes as a forerunner for my daemon choice.
 
#61 ·
Err, tomb, a couple of years ago, people did start voting with their money and Lego got into such dire straights that they had to sell off all of their theme parks apart from the one in Danemark. And not because the theme parks themselves were money sinks, but they needed cash fast, and selling equity was a quick and easy way.
I remember that - Lego did look like it was in trouble. Can we guess that it was because people did not want to buy the products they were making? I recall that they tried to sell the Gallidor line of toys, with no real success. Possibly because they were much more like clickable action figures than buildable Lego. (Then they got the licence for Star Wars and cleaned up.)

So, does this mean that when people vote with their money, GW is at risk? If they put out a lot of products we didn't like, and we stopped buying, would there be some tipping point where they would just shut up shop?

I think for now we are safe - most of us are mostly happy with most of their products. But I still say that even comment will work better than vomit. Of course even comment risks sliding into snide territory, as I have found to my embarrassment.

In my defence, I am not often as silly as that when I post - you can look at my comments to "I Can't Paint" - I think that everyone who posted on that thread was as helpful and unsarcastic as I have ever seen. But I think that a thread that threatens physical illness or total boycott is a bit more tongue in cheek, so I am more likely to respond that way.

Cheers,
TOMB
 
#62 ·
That's cool, as long as it doesn't escalate ;Y , you know how it is sometimes.

I do think that more plastic Deamons is the way to go though.

I have a load of Blood-letters and they are a real hassle.
 
#64 ·
I find plastic figures much easier to convert - weapon swaps are more stable, heads and arms come off cleanly. I wonder how hard it will be to mount these daemonettes? What would you use as their 'steeds'?
 
#65 ·
Yeah, but have you ever noticed the resale value from plastic models? those craps aren't worth the grease from the mould they are made in! Much of the mestique from this game comes in the relative resale value or value retention of the models - metal models that is. Plastic dung figures may be easy to model but unless you are a great converter, those craps aren't worth shite if you try to resell them.
 
#66 · (Edited)
Luckily I am a great converter.

[edit - that's a joke, guys and girls!]

Seriously though, I don't think that's what people buying these games are worried about when they lay their money down. Most players I meet worry about prices going up, buy the figures they want to play with or just paint, and if they are lucky they can find cheap stuff on ebay. Of course, the reason that it is cheap on ebay is usually that someone else got tired of it, and decided to let it go for whatever money they could get.

It's not a situation where many people are investing or making money. It's just something to spend money on. The return is in the fun you have playing, or the pride you get in making/painting a good model.

I am interested though - do you try and make money from reselling GW minis? How well does that work?

Cheers
TOMB
 
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