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This was posted by Haquim on Warseer.
From what A.Cavatore told me at the italian GT DE WILL get hatred against everyone and eternal hatred against HE (I asked if Shadow wariors were an attempt to playtest the new DE armywide rule and he smiled and said "I really like hatred for DE, I think it suits them well...") .
I also expressed my concern about the disadvantages of hatred: Cavatore said they are minor and you only have to pursue if you win HtH, not like frenzy. I told him about how sometimes my O&G opponents (I'm a dwarf player first and foremost) use cheap goblin units to disrupt my battleline forcing me to pursue and be charged on flank and front, he said that is surely a good tactic but in order for it to work you must be sure your bait will really lose or will even get into HtH and not get anihilated but magic/shooting. Basically he said if your opponent is able to use baits effectively he deserves the benefits they give.
From what I hear (but I wasn't personally told) other people told him hatred won't be enough to ballance SoA. He agreed and said DE will get rules able to make them even.
I also asked about other things:
-It's most probable Hag Queens will come back and the cloudron of blood could very well be an option for them instead of a rare choice.
-Cavatore agreed DE assassins are too weak for their point cost and hinted they may get major improvements.
-I asked for better dark magic. He agreed it's too weak and said it will get MUCH more powerful and destructive. I asked for a spell to defend DE infantry from shooting (I suggested something called "Veil of darkness" that forces I tests to shoot all infantry units inside 12''). He said dark magic should not protect but utterly destroy (and he's right of course... It's only I feel if you want DE infantry to be played you need to give DE players ways to defend from shooting)... Anyway he said DE could get something like what I suggested in the form of a magic item.
-I asked about Hydras and why they do not regenerate since the most well known legend about Hydras (hercules, you know...) is centered about their ability to regenerate... When hearing this he simply smiled and said "they will" (regenerate). I take this has already been discussed and agreed upon.
Enjoy. JvK :happy:
This was posted by Little Aaad on Warseer.
Some little birdy told me a few things, not saying who though as I can't.
Dark Elfs are not getting ASF like the Highs!
Dark Elfs are keeping hatred!
Executioners are getting a powerfull upgrade but are losing KB!
Witch Elfs will never lose Frenzy!
Assasins may be able to hide in the enemy unit!
Whether any of this is true I dont know, but he/she sounded pretty certain.
I know VC's are being done first but there are two teams working on them.
Enjoy. JvK :happy:
But when? Tell me when?
Hatred is not that bad, but compared to SoA it isn't much....ohh well. I like the idea of a really destructive Dark Magic, and a better Assasin - he's one of the fluffies(sp?) choices in the DE list, and yet it's totally overpriced. Oh, and the sweet combat mosters the Haq Queens? Yes please
For all the gods of chaos I just can't wait, thanks JvK !
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Any news of new models? I figure it will be something like this....
Plastic character models (Like the Empire, High elves, Orcs and Goblin box) (Almost definitely)
Plastic wizard models (Like Empire and high elves) (Almost definitely)
Plastic Dragon (Most likely)
Plastic Corsairs (Unlikely, but maybe)
Plastic Dark Riders (Very unlikely.)
Plastic Bolt thrower (Most likely)
I'm not entirely impressed. I was hoping for armour piercing or eternal hatred to everybody, hatred is "themey" but doesn't translate as well as say, always strike first.
I'm hoping then that other stuff will be beefed up, like make our monsters actually scary.
Give us some friggan' plastic.
Give us a better magic item list.
Special rules for our different infantry. Executioners, Black Guard, and others.
It seems rather early to circulate DE rumours, with the VC ones still floating about. Oh well. Do you know when they're alleged to be released?
I like the sound of some of these rumours.
Dark magic does need a little beefing up, but the spells themselves arent too bad in their current state. The thing that makes DE magic weak is the lack of decent magic items to support it effectively, like High Elves have (ring of fury and a banner which generates PD, etc)
Hiding assasain in enemy units would be fun, but it wouldnt go all the way on making them worth taking. They'd still die just as easily and be just as over-priced. They would need some other improvements too.
Regen for Hydra sounds great
As has already been said, hatred is nice, but it wont offset SoA. (re-rolling attacks wont help much when you have nothing alive to attack with, due to the enemy striking first)
It sounds like they have considered most of the key issues with the current DE
They seem to have missed the biggest problem of all though, Stupidity... for the love of god get rid of it! ><
Thanks for the info JvK
Dark Elves - Game #28 vs High Elves: Draw
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Of course Dark Elves should be really good at it too so I hope they get some boost even if they are my sworn enemy. But if they're better at it than HE I'll be mad
I imagine it is pretty likely that they will get an army wide special rule snce HE got Speed of Asuryan, and the armywide hatred of everything is probably more likely than the other rumours such as all attacks being poisoned. Note that High Elf Shadow Warriors hate everything and they are about as close to the DE as you can get without actually being one (funny that since they side with the HE!). It could be a little way of testing out the rule to see how hating anything performs...
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