Warhammer 8.ed - 2010

[CaptainSarathai]

Originally Posted by omegoku

A deck of rule cards?
What happens when you can't remember what a certain magic weapon does? You need to go thru your deck of 200+ cards?
No, you would choose your army from your cards in advance, if you forgot what a magic item did, you wouldn't have to go thumbing through the 100+ pages of your armybook: it would be right there in card form, next to the character who has it equipped.

How much will the cards cost? Each armies deck will cost the same as an army book?
so €20 for some cards? where will the fluff go?
You wouldn't buy armybooks anymore. You'd buy a deck of cards. For example, you play High Elves, you'd buy the "High Elf" card deck. There could be enough cards in there to reasonably build a standard 3000pt list, with cards for characters, regiments, and 1 of each magic item. Additionally, each unit that you buy will come with a corresponding card in the box. Fluff and paint guides could easily be put into a small book that accompanies the Deck, or into the core-book like PP-Games.

If GW decide one card is overpowered and FAQ it, what happens?
They release it in WD? Lots of (sensible) people do not buy that.
Have downloadable cards? you need to print off?
This is where it would get a little sticky. If they decided to FAQ it, they would need to have an up-to-date part of their site dedicated to it. Tournament organizers would also have to stay on top of the ban-list. Changing the situation could be as easy as releasing an FAQ "booster" pack with the new/amended cards. In each subsequent edition of the Core rulebook, they could make sure everyone is on the same page by maintaining a "Banned List" of cards, for example
"Lothern Seaguard: card 99: Replaced by card 102
Grom the Unkillable: card 67: Banned"

What happens when my 2 year old son comes across my deck and loses my sword of Might card?
What happens when he loses your converted sorcerer of tzeentch, drops your Screaming Bell from 4' up, flushes your dice down the toilet, or spills applejuice on your armybook? Unfortunately, there are drawbacks, but I'd rather be able to pay a small price online to replace a card, rather than buy a new book.

The current system would work, assuming all (future) army lists are kept in mind and really old army books should have temporary lists included in the box set. (like 40k 3rd Edition)
This idea could work as well, but I actually think the card system is easier to maintain. They do it with Privateer Press games, they do it with all of the 'Clicky' games like Heroclix, and they have a very balanced CCG version in the form of Legend of the Five Rings, which routinely amends it's line of products in response to (get this) customer input.

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw a new book in 2010. I know for a fact that it's better to come into an army that was written right AFTER a book, rather than right before one. My WoodElves swallowed $300 and then my very precise armylist was thrown by a minor alteration in the rules.

The complaints that are mentioned about the new Orc book and Empire book, which were released so recently after the new edition, is that they were released before the Power Curve. That powercurve is something unique to this edition, and I've never seen anything like it in my nearly 11 years of playing the game. The Power Curve is the result of the Dev Team not properly balancing the books against eachother, and not looking at the product as a whole.

Changing editions will NOT fix this problem. It might mitigate it slightly, at the small expense of other armies with more balanced rules. Like Fear for example. If they nerf it for universal armies like Undead, then they are also hurting it for regiments like Chaos Knights, who's Fear effect is much more balanced within their army. What needs to be done is a total revamping of the army-books in question. This should be top priority before taking a short-term "band-aid" approach to solving the problem. But, GW is a business, and perpetuating the cycle of 'strong army- weak army' shifts, and constant rereleases of editions is guaranteeing money in their pockets. Unless we stop playing, they won't fix it. Blame capitalism, it's not even really GW's fault, so much as their shareholders (GW is in a strange economic situation. It was explained to me once, but I don't think I'm qualified to comment on it).

I think that I'm going to win the lottery, buy into real-estate and open a bar, and then buy Games Workshop. I could try running for president of the US, but I'd rather fix the problems with my gaming than get my hands dirty with politicians and healthcare reforms.

[lewbot1]

Originally Posted by CaptainSarathai

I think that I'm going to win the lottery, buy into real-estate and open a bar, and then buy Games Workshop. I could try running for president of the US, but I'd rather fix the problems with my gaming than get my hands dirty with politicians and healthcare reforms.

Good luck with that!

[Stunted_Merc]

Originally Posted by DavidWC09

I was incredulous when I saw this thread title. How much credence do we give these rumors? Like someone said early on, with so many books not even rewritten, it seems odd.

It kind of irks, me, though, as so many FAQs have been released and the rulebook interpreted and in use.

I doubt there is much credibility, 7th is still relatively new and despite some issues, this edition is fine as is. Unlike say 40k 4th which did absolutely nothing but bring issues to the system and didn't have anything noticeably different from 3rd.

Whoever mentioned "Decks" should rethink that idea. GW did cards before, unless you were to young or haven't researched the system. It was for common magic items, spells, and other things. It proved to be something most people disdained, and GW quickly dropped such a ridiculous gimmick from future editions.

Most people seem to be jumping to very odd conclusions, we just need to go into "Wait and see" mode. If anything is announced I doubt it'll be a major change, just touch up the more glaring issues with 7th and you got a good product.

-K

[kithre]

magic decks were great as were magic cards...

But the new systems make magic much more "reliable" than it once was not always a good thing given how many mages some armies can field//

[Kai-Itza]

Originally Posted by Stunted_Merc

Most people seem to be jumping to very odd conclusions, we just need to go into "Wait and see" mode. If anything is announced I doubt it'll be a major change, just touch up the more glaring issues with 7th and you got a good product.

-K

Like the rest of us, and knowing GW, I would seriously doubt that the outcome of 8th can be any better than our previous edition. I must agree with everyone here that WHFB 8th Ed. is way too early, 7th was released in summer 2006 and 8th is being released in summer 2010 next year, by then 7th will be 4 years old! and it has been seen in previous editions that
there's a 6-7 year gap between them.
There's a very thin line between a balanced/unbalanced games system, wherever a Rulebook/Army book/ Codex is released, it affects the system as a whole where it will weaken/strengthen armies around them as well as the new rules from that revamped army. Lately, we've been seeing a good handful of revamped Rules/armies that completely unbalanced other armies and the core ruleset in itself, armies like; 40K Chaos Daemons, WHFB Daemons of Chaos, 40K Orks, 40K Imperial Guard.
I've faced these armies more than once with my Tau Empire/Lizardmen in many games and the armies that screams 'broken' to my ears are mainly 40K Orks, and 40K Imperial Guard, Orks in particular are very fast, too good at shooting for their own good, great at CC (I don't have a problem with that, they're Orks ), stupidly cheap in points, and have dead hard combos. Pretty much sounds too perfect an army, no?
Like many of us had already said, there are Codices/Army Books needing a revamp so badly, it hurts just to look at them on the table. Armies like, 40K Inquisition, 40K Tau Empire, 40K Dark Eldar, WHFB Beastmen and most probably several more as these do get a revamp (eventually).

After reading CaptainSarathai's post, it does make one of the reasons behind this descision above several others (like CaptainSarathai, I won't go into that much detail over it as I'm not qualified also ), on another note, GW is a company and they've been doing this for years to survive financially and will continue to do so for as long as they can.

Either way, there seems to be several people online with reliable ties in the 'Rumor loop' who says that this is to become true, although there's no doubt that there's to be delays during it's R&D which could possibly push it back to late summer or early autumn. I for one with be preparing for the worse and, hoping for the best .




-Kai-Itza-

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Stunted_Merc

I doubt there is much credibility, 7th is still relatively new and despite some issues, this edition is fine as is. Unlike say 40k 4th which did absolutely nothing but bring issues to the system and didn't have anything noticeably different from 3rd.

I have no idea one way or the other, but it may be worth taking the rumours on board (at least of the new ed., maybe not the magic cards or whatever). In 2010 it will be almost 4 years since 7th ed. Pretty sure the last 40K update came within 4 years of the previous (but dont quote me lol). Also i was one of the first to hear about 40K 5th ed, and noone believed me. A year later it arrived I dont doubt the same thing could happen here...

[Enigmatik1]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

I have no idea one way or the other, but it may be worth taking the rumours on board (at least of the new ed., maybe not the magic cards or whatever). In 2010 it will be almost 4 years since 7th ed. Pretty sure the last 40K update came within 4 years of the previous (but dont quote me lol). Also i was one of the first to hear about 40K 5th ed, and noone believed me. A year later it arrived I dont doubt the same thing could happen here...

For what it's worth, Phoenix...if I were around I would've believed ya

[Stunted_Merc]

No, you must never trust Phoenix! Look at those shifty, fire bird like eyes....it's a sign.

To Kai: While I respect your opinion ole pal, I hardly see how most of that had to do specifically with what you quoted. I don't believe an edition will even come, and I hardly think GW will listen to my advice about you know...fixing issues with a game. Power creep is ever present in both systems though, I think more so in 40k than Fantasy. Fantasy lately has been getting some pretty powerful armies sure, but each new book brings a new big powered book and in it's own way, balances it.

Even older Fantasy books place well in tournaments. O&G horde is dominating the tournament scene right now, and overall I still think they have a very capable and creative list. Empire as well seem alright, and can do well in tournaments (Though is more limited, and dare I say, frustrating to fight when they pop down the STANK!). I recently picked the Skaven book up due to having an urge to kill with little rat people, and as most people are well aware of on here, I hardly go for the new "flavor of the month" army to avoid people that want to power creep or bandwagon along.

40k though is another whole bag. Most of their books aren't even updated, the one's that are sorely outclass the old, and GW's insistence on getting out a Space Marine themed 'dex after every other book frustrates many gamers. While it doesn't have as many armies as Fantasy, I feel it's more pressing on their part to get these armies quickly updated to even compete in a casual gaming environment.

Still I have no idea, predicting anything at this point would be a waste of time. GW is doing better out rumor leaks as well so I wouldn't expect a major announcement like this until a summer Games Day at the earliest. Either way I am sure I'll buy it, re-learn the rules, and see how my gaming group exploits it as my rat men ravage their forces for a horde of cheese.

-K

[Ancalagon]

Originally Posted by Stunted_Merc

No, you must never trust Phoenix! Look at those shifty, fire bird like eyes....it's a sign.

Don't forget, he used to be called Deceiver!

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Ancalagon

Don't forget, he used to be called Deceiver!

Indeed, used to... Still, find the old LO Chat logs and youll see im telling the truth