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Some rumours I have just read, that originally came from Warseer...From Warseer -
I am not entirely new to this forum as I’f been a silent reader for month but now I got some interesting info from a guy working at GW headquarters so I created an account to tell you.
New Tomb Kings will be out in May 2010. So they will be the last armybook before 8th edition.
I will list up the information he gave me in the following, text in italic are my personal comments on it. Where I write nothing about a unit, it means that either the unit stays as it is or my source had no information about any changes. “Will stay the same” means that the rule or unit would stay unchanged.
Edit: My source didn't know anything about any new units but as he isn't a game designer himself that doesn't mean that there will be none. Personally I am quite shure that there will be at least new miniatures for the skeletons but that is just gessing, I have not heard anything about it.
- Will stay the same in principle but you may take a stand&shoot reaction now.
That one was expected since the banshee may stand&shoot as well.
- Will also stay the same with some minor changes:
-- Incantation of summoning reanimates D6 / 2D6 wounds
-- Tomb princes have 6” range like tomb kings
-- Tomb kings and princes have the option to generate dispel dice and energy dice (dispel spells in play only)
Pft... the adjustment in effectiveness of the incantations is ok, it should be level with the vampire one this way. Princes range is good. Dispell dice for Kings and Princes? Great, I only hope it won't be overpriced.
Undead construct rule:
- Will stay the same
“It came from below…” rule:
- Will stay the same
- Will stay the same
Casket of souls
- Will have three different incantations to choose:
-- One incantation healing D3 wounds of all friendly units and characters on the field
-- One incantation similar to the current one
-- One incantation moving D3 units
- Will grant a ward save to it’s crew and attached priests
That sounds great!
- Magic changes, see above
- Strength 5
- If a tomb prince is the general you may take one unit of chariots as a core unit
- May be given the battle standard
Looking at the Scar Veteran S and T5 for heros was to be expected. Battle standard for the prince is great.
Battle standard bearer:
- New name (unknown to me)
- May be given the battle standard but may be used without as well
- May ride on a skeleton horse or in a chariot
- No magic
- Killing blow
- WS5, S4, T4, A3
A simple fighting hero without magic and an avarage profile. Ok, especially for friendly games with limited magic but I think the Prince will stay the better choice.
- Wear light armour without further costs
Decrease of one point would have been better but better than nothing.
Skeleton light horsemen:
- May be given light armour
- May be given Spears and Shields
That shoud give us some interesting taktical options.
Skeleton heavy horsemen:
- Are out!
I won't bemoan the loss of them.
- 9(!) points/model
All right, Grave Guard cost 10 (?) points/model. And they have heavy armour and can make march movements... 9 points is ok I think.
- 4+ armour save (including undead construct)
- 5+ ward save
- 55 points/model
That should make Ushabti usable. Not more but usable.
Stronger and cheaper? Great!
- more expensive (about 100 points)
- 5 wounds (!)
Wow, the most extrem change I think. Scorpions with unit size 5 will be nasty!
- equipment options (similar to Warhammer chronicles)
The options have been a baublery in the past, they will stay a baublery in the future.
Screaming Skull Catapult:
- Every model touched is hit, not only on 4+.
The way it is in the Skaven book. Maybe a hint of what to come in the 8th edition rule book?
Sounds cool the Tomb Kings are then the last Fantasy army that really needs an up date. Maybe then GW can concentrate on updating the other half of the 40k ones.
Tomb Kings have always been interesting, now with new rules they might get used more often. I probably won't as they really don't seem to fit into the whole warhammer world that well. Meaning they really don't play that big a role in the fluff. But that is just me.
a lot of the models do look cool now, I think the skeletons will need to get updated, but maybe just the plastic ones, not the tomb guard. All the constructs look cool and maybe they should make more hero models. I remember one white Dwarf, maybe it was the one their current book was released, the person used 2 lich priests on foot and used the same model twice, and that was in a White Dwarf.
Any way good for them, good for them.
Repainting Orks not sure how many points yet
Warriors of Chaos shelved until further notice
But we know the Beasties are next... Heck they have even shown us the cover art of the book. Maybe GW will try to cram in as many updates as possible before 8 ed.?
beasties are coming in feb, which gives two-three months in between, so not entirely impossible
the skellies also need a major update model wise. they are much larger and more bulky than the new, more realisticaly sized vampire counts skelies.
Wauw, these rumours actually sound legit ^^
I really hope the redo those horses... everything else is pretty good I think
My thoughts on the changes:
Magic - all looks good.
Stand and shoot is nice, makes archers almost worth their high pts cost...
Undead Construct - this needs some minor changes
The Curse - DEFINITELY needs to be changed.
Casket sounds awesome! Hope its not overpriced, or under priced for that matter. I dont want my poor legions to be subjected to the kind of abuse that should be reserved for daemon-kind
Prince... Yay core chariots, but Battle Standard!? Nah...
Free LA for skellies? Aww man this sucks... what they NEED is a pts reduction. What if i dont want armour (guys live in desert probably avoided armour lol)
Light Cav given spears and Heavy Cav out? Seems like they just combined the two (an idea ive had for a while lol). Good change, just hope the pts cost is reduced here.
Ushabti have become awesome! 10pts reduction, +1Save, a 5+ ward AND M6!?!?! This is either a mistake, or GW have just created a rather broken unit, given how awesome Ushabti are anyway in their current state (this is assuming the army magic stays the same etc)
Cheap Carrion, thank god..
5 wound Scorp!? WOOHOO! Finally they are actually GREAT as they should be
SSC: heh, nice...
Bone Giant: more detail would be nice, but a base cost cut of at least 50pts is required... heres hoping.
Thanks for bringing this to the attention of LOs Tomb King Kuffy ill pass the info onto my men lol.
honestly what i think tomb kings really need is a incantation that increases the base strength of the model for a turn of combat instead of making them attack again(no sry dont remove smiting)smiting should be a ranged spell and they should make a diffrent combat incantation
Who doesn't wish that for their army? Unfortunately this isn't a wish list, and that is a very powerful spell for anyone to have. I'm glad they don't have such a spell.
Although if i had my way, a nekkid skellie would be 6pts, then just +1pt for each upgrade... Pimped out you could have a skellie with HW, Shield, Bow, LA and a Spear for 10pts, almost the same as now but you'd get to keep the bow in the combo. Keeping it cheap, id go for a bow skellie for 7pts, which is a fair price (little cheaper than current).
Last edited by Phoenix; December 1st, 2009 at 00:19.