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I cannot say how much of this is true. I will say this, it fits somewhat with what I have heard.
Anyway this might be a case of Too Long Did'nt Read for some of you but I urge you to stick with it.JvKFat, massive, toadacious blocks of salt with these, guys. I mean huge. Moon sized. Like, if the moon was the size of the sun, then they would be moon sized blocks of salt that you should take, but they're more like sun-sized blocks of salt. I didn't believe them when I heard them second hand, but here they are.
As we get towards 6th edition, some things are rumored to be changing. White Dwarf is rumored to be going back to what they had before, with more battle reports and painting how-tos and less advertisements. Sisters of Battle is the poster child for the 'White Dwarf Codex' which may be getting more full-on Codices in the future depending on popularity. One such example would be for the Chaos Legions Codex, which would have a core, and then White Dwarf additions for other Legions as the months progress.
Oh by the way, Chaos Legions by March 1012 and 6th edition by October 2012, which will feature Eldar as the poster child. Heavy Xenos influence for 6th edition, including the long-awaited Tau update.
Here's a doozy. Fluff changes. (prepare for heavy summary) We're moving on from the 41st millenium into the 42nd. Yup. Here's the rumor: mankind's days are really waning. They're heading down the crapper fast and xenos, especially Necrons, are coming into quite the threat. Well, mankind just doesn't have the power, and now Necrons are threatening Chaos, and the Chaos forces are like 'well wtf guyz'. So, Chaos has to fight across the galaxy against the enemies that mankind were fighting against, perhaps even allying with loyalist forces against a common foe. This will be expanded on in the coming Codices, including Necron and Chaos Legions, which should set up for the big fluff change in 6th edition. Some of the rest sounded more like wish, opinion, and extrapolation; Void Dragon coming up, Primarchs coming back, Emperor's descendants being found by an unnamed portion of the Imperium in order to fight the Void Dragon, etc etc...
Now here are some other things that are founded in reality: Matt Ward? Gone. Don't expect him to be writing any more Codices. His baby was 5th edition, and now that 5th edition is up, Ward is done. Board Members for GW? 3 of the old geezers gone. Company-wide changes. Everything since Tyranids? Made for 6th edition.
Speaking of 6th edition again, the main rulebook that comes out is supposed to be 'the book to rule all books'. It'll have ways to include Superheavies and rules for Fliers in regular games, and should errata a lot of rules in Apocalypse, past FAQ's, and past Codices to make it all fit together. It'll have updated stuff for Planetstrike, Cities of Death, etc, perhaps even to make room for more expansions in the future.
Ugh. The person I heard this from is a good friend and reliable source, and the person *he* got this information from is an unnamed employee of a certain facet of our favorite gaming company that deals with items made out of a material that is notorious for melting if exposed to direct sunlight and heat. By the way, all those rule sets that Forgeworld has been making? They may suddenly find themselves approved for regular games.
I honestly feel tainted by a lot of this information. I'll be the first to say that so much of it is so unreal and so uncharacteristic for Games Workshop that it doesn't feel like it could happen at all. Moving the fluff forward? Having superheavies in a regular edition? Making Codex *supplements* exclusively through White Dwarf (and subsequently free a month later on their website like most White Dwarf stuff)? Knocking Space Marines down a notch?
But think about it. 5th edition has been the edition for the Imperium. Imperial Guard, Grey Knights, Space Wolves, Blood Angels, and of course Space Marines have all gotten Codices, and Black Templar and Dark Angels have been FAQ'd to match up. The only xenos forces we've seen have been Orks (which were technically still 4th edition), Tyranids, and Dark Eldar. And now Sisters of Battle are going to be covered. That leaves Tau, Orks (since they weren't really in 5th), Eldar, Chaos Marines, Necrons, and Chaos Daemons left to be covered. NONE of those are imperial forces, so it almost seems like they've been stacking the deck so that they can put a heavier focus on the xenos, which is a prime opportunity to advance the fluff. By advancing the fluff through xenos codices, they can then re-glorify the imperial forces by updating them further into 6th edition after they've figured all that stuff out.
Also, Chaos Marines have been a group of much attention. The Horus Heresy novels, Black Crusade RPG, and features as main villains in many a video game. They have a lot of new fluff that hasn't been explored before, and a lot of new material has been created that has kept them in the limelight, even if they haven't been on the gaming tables. They are Imperial Enemy No. 1. They are a very popular force. To have them suddenly take the spotlight in new fluff in a new edition only makes sense. A force as potent as the Chaos Legions, Legions of marines that number in the thousands, whose leader commands the last Black Fortress (one of the few great weapons against the C'Tan), is a force that can wreak proper havoc again, either in the form of a new Black Crusade, or in the form of a totally different type of war. Thus far, Chaos has seemed content to chill out in their warp homes within the Maelstrom and Eye of Terror, with the 13th Black Crusade being the last great push, and that was solely against the Imperium and anything else that happened to be in the way. There are many an enemy that Chaos can fight besides the waning Imperium, such as the Necron that they abhor for their desire to snuff out the sensation that Chaos enjoys.
There are a lot of other things that simply don't fit. We've already heard rumors about fliers, but the superheavies thing is a stretch. 'One book to rule them all' is a bit of a stretch, as that would cannibalize all of the books that have already been printed. Also, Forgeworld being brought into the fold doesn't make sense either. Though they've been pumping out a lot of new stuff, their business model is built as a boutique, and if they suddenly shift gears to mass-produce their stuff to satisfy the new net lists that come out, then that will completely undo their business model. On the other hand, Games Workshop has kicked metal straight out, so to get all their factories devoted to resin might end up increasing Forgeworld's production as well simply by volume of production.
Anyway, like I said. Salt, salt, salt. Not only am I hearing all of this second-hand, but it's difficult to weed out what's speculation on the speaker's part, and what he intended as rumor. I suppose we'll just see if he's right. The first hint would be Chaos Marines in March 2012 huh?
Basically life sucks, there is only war and you're probably gonna get eaten by Tyranids, have fun.
This is exciting news indeed. Even if only every 10th sentence speaks truth, we are bound to see both great changes to the game and possible changes for the better in terms of the hobby/business model. Now I'm not to sure how relevant/applicable this experience I had earlier is, but I actually was on the phone with a recruiter for the Memphis HQ today and she mentioned that GW is going through quite a large business overhaul. She may have simply been referring to the hobby center functions, but I kind of got the idea that it was a company wide - organizational culture - change. We have all seen the steadily rising competition such as Privateer Press and other specialist games, not to mention the fragile nature of current economic conditions. It makes perfect sense for a business such as GW to try and reinvent themselves, or in the very least attempt to improve upon areas requested by the consumer base.
I personally think the most exciting rumour is the movement into the 42nd millennium. For anyone remotely interested in the fluff, this alone will provide hours of entertainment and simply put to rest some of the debates on "what happens next". It also can't hurt sales - space marines and humanity "winning" is always appealing, but epic last stands on the edge of obliteration has more a ring to it! Lastly, incorporate both forgeworld and Tau SOON! XV9 Hazard Suits YES PLEASE!
As always, thanks JvK for bringing these rumours to our attention.
Last edited by kzqq; August 12th, 2011 at 04:37.
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Now that IS interesting. Well, I think 5th has had its run, and seeing non-Imperial units at the fore will be nice I think. The big thing for me though, is that Matt Ward can go suck it! I never wanted him, and if people are saying he's going, I'm a happy man! Fluff changes, I'm not sure... the whole "41st millennium" thing rolls of the tongue better than "42nd" and 40,000 than 41,000... I can believe in changes like "humanity is ending", "Necrons are coming", "Humans unite against external foes" but I'm not so sure about that...
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moving the fluff ahead? You have got to be kidding me. Change in the corporate infrastructure? That sounds even *more* unlikely.
I heard Matt Ward is going over to Privateer press to write rules and fluff for warmahoardes while someone deep in an underground bunker at GW HQ maliciously taps their fingertips together muttering "just as planned" to themselves. (that was a troll by the way)
In the 42nd millenium, there is only...Chaos??? i dont know. i mean i dont really think they will advance the fluff, but we will have to wait and see for that. as for Xenos getting the main spotlight then im all for it!.
orks deffinetly need a re do as there are some things that just dont sit right like the looters...i mean i know that they all have the same weapon type because it makes it easier on the rules but they could give them a designated list of weapons they can use from other codices.
also there is a distinct lack of snotlings.
They could do the same with looted tanks, giving them a designated list from other codices, with each having different weapons and types.
also there is this harpoon launcher arm that you get with the Nobz kit but it has no rules what so ever and i dont even know what to treat it as.
add to that the fact we only have one valid Flash Git model with a targeter squig that isnt even in the codex and the fact that Mad Dock Grotsniks codex picture looks beter than the actual model and you can see the sort of problems they have. im sure you have ways of working around these problems but it still doesnt feel right and they should have taken this into account as most of the models came out after the new codex.
also, what happens after AOBR is no longer available?, they still havent made plastic Deff Koptaz outside of that kit!
i'm guessing they'll do what they did with lothern sea guard and dwarf miners, modify the kit slightly and dump em in a new box on their own.
or make metal deffcoptas in resin, whichever they can be arsed to do.
As for everything else the rumours for me depend more on how they choose to carry them out, restructuring the company to cope with current economic climate - good idea, Restructuring merely to ease forward their current tactics - bad idea. Moving forward the fluff in order to create new tensions and pressures (kind of like the cataclysm in wow) - good idea, Moving forward the fluff in order to reuse old ideas and inject false cheap reasons to instigate violence again (kind of like the cataclysm in wow) - bad idea.
I'm sure you can see where i'm going with this.
Aside from that Games Workshop definately need to listen to the old advertising adage of "Let the customer sell it to theirselves" if they make white dwarf into a genuine magazine with how to guides, battle reports, editorials etc the people who read it will be inspired to buy things of their own accord instead of having things shoved in their faces which if you consider the rebellious nature of the market audience is pretty much market suicide.
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This is very intresting indeed, but the worlds a better place if Matt Ward isn't writing codexes and army books. As much as I want Chaos to be in the limelight and do something good in their fluff, teaming up loyalists??? Thats ridiculous.
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yeah but they arent a seperate unit, and should be in swarms like rippers and scarabs.
they also need to update the warbuggy model aswell as the wartrack because those orks driving them look nothing like orks and nothing like gretchin...more like a tusked human that has been hit with a shovel and his face has swolen up.
i mean since wartracks are an upgrade for warbuggys so they could easilly put them in the same kit!
anyway at the moment im more concerned (and this is more directed a JVK as he is a well of knowledge and may be able to shed light on the matter) as to wether or not Tyranids are getting a second wave anytime soon as there is too much stuff that they dont have models for.
its alright GW saying "well, just convert them" its having the money to buy all the seperate kits to aquire the bitz needed to convert them. besides i prefer having an official model rather than a converted one because it probably looks better. now with the arrival of finecast they can finally create bigger HQ models so the Swarmlord is now practical to create as are the others!
not to mention the Tyrannofex in the codex picture is just short of being the size of a Heirophant bio titan (although obviously fatter) and GW said to convert it from a carnifex -_-
its weapon options would be the hardest things to make and i dont even know where to start. Old one eye i can do but things like Harpys and mieotic spores ???
i could just have a winged trygon but i would rather it be flying and i dont really like the Chapterhouse Mieotic spore...any suggestions???
that might be better for the conversion help of that nature might be better suited to the tyranid or hobby (modeling) forums. I'd post that on both.
And yes, snotling swarms would be cool. I was being facetious when mentioning the Shokk Attack Gun.
.... hmmm and then a special rule could be used for a Big mek with shock attack gun attached to snotling swarms allowing him to "remove" (i.e. use as extra amunition) a snotling swarm to reroll the str result on the gun. That would be interesting. Might be a good home brew rule for apocalypse... although... something going wrong is part of the fun so maybe that rule should never happen hahaha!