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I'm sorry if rumours like this have been posted elsewhere already (I am in a rush and don't have time to check).
A friend of mine works in a "rogue-trader"/Indepdant retailer.
GW have told him that the Empire Armybook is "discontinued" and not available to order. I have checked the GW website and it seems to be still available via direct-sales. Anyone heard anything lately?
Also he's been told that independant retailers (at least in the UK) are to stock two of EVERY box. If so, this is a major shift in how his account has been managed so-far.
Just a little snippet to keep all you gossips stocked up on "ammunition".
if Nidz and Crons are getting both of their second waves in March as rumoured then Empire could be in April, if not then it will be Crons in April and possibly Empire in May, possibly followed by 6th ED in June.
I've heard the part about them being required to stock 2 of every box. Here in the states that was effective as early as 2006 - a stockist was not allowed to order a single box of any product, but instead had to order 2 of said box. I'm not sure if that still holds, as I've seen plenty of single-box orders in the past months, as well as being able to special-order things through my RT in the form of single boxes. Ultimately, it hurts GW sales rather than helps them. It was intended to force Stockists to buy product, as typically they would only multistock big ticket items, and leave the marginal sellers in as single-box or special order items. What GW is trying to do by forcing them to buy 2, is keep 2 or more items in stock at all times, and if the stockist tries to run their stock down and "spec order" an item, they have to buy enough to still put at least 1 on the shelf. This is stupid - it forced 2 RTs in my area out of business when it was implemented in '06, and during the period that it was active, my local RT would intentionally burn it's stock out and then pass on the rule on to special orders (you have to buy 2 if you order through us, but we'll give you a slight discount). This hurts everyone, and I feel sorry for you guys in the UK.
As for Empire getting a new book - it's something that's been kicked around, and they are usually one of the first to be redone in each edition. I guess that means that GW has decided that they're through with the armies that truly needed updates now that they've taken care of VC, TK, O&G, OK, and Beasts, and are now going back to their usual pattern. I'm sure that everyone will get a new book for 8th, but this doesn't bode well for armies like the Wood Elves and Brets who are still really hurting for an update. Oh well, at least it means that my WoC aren't next, although I know I'm looking at about one year before they get a hit.
As for Empire, if it's true that indies can't re-stock the book, next thing to do is look at the local GW stores - if they sell out and don't get any more in, then that's about as big a confirmation as we'll get prior to the 'official' anouncement.
The on-line store will keep selling the current book right up untill pre-orders go on-line as they're simply trying to sell out what stock is in the warehouse.
And I'd readily argue that Empire ARE a must for re-do since they, (along with dwarfs), completely feth over the magic phase by adding dispel dice to their pool. It's not fun when your opponent is at worst going to be rocking a minimum of 8DD even when you roll snake-eyes for the winds of magic... (and dwarfs are worse because they can still steal a power dice on top of getting stupid amounts of dispel dice.)
Try playing as say VC's in a game where your opponent always has at least 2 more dispel dice than you have power dice each phase!
I wouldn't say that the Empire need redone because they're too overpowering. They're definitely not. I play Empire, on both sides of the line, pretty frequently. On either side, the Empire State Troops are deplorable. They're no doubt some of the best core choices in the game, if they were all about 2pts cheaper. And when you get to the rest of their units - Knights are lackluster at best and greatweapons are practically mandatory, Pistoliers and Outriders aren't going to do enough damage with their weapons against the new 'huge unit' push, but the cavalry nerf means that all three of these units are toast in combat, the warmachines are good but the Helblaster isn't worth it's points in Handgunners, the Rocket isn't much better than a mortar since it's wildly inaccurate, and canons have never been all that good a choice unless you're dealing with big nasties. Their characters are average, their magic phase is mediocre at best.
So why don't Empire really need an update? Because they've never been top-of-the-pile for armies, they've always been reserved for very astute, solid gamers, and most importantly there are other armies out there that need it more. Even by your standards - that they need a nerf because they're too overpowering, there are other armies that will devastate your magic phase, Dwarfs notwithstanding. The Empire book still wins games, still has plenty of list options, and still feels the same way Empire always has. Wait until Marnepup weighs in on this, I think he can illustrate it better than I can.
As far as their messing with the magic phase too much? There's not much I can say but 'deal with it'. The Dwarfs do it, and the Empire do it. Magic has become a huge crutch in 8th edition, and I like the fact that there are armies out there who will penalize you for relying too heavily on it. While the armies might vary wildly (and honestly, 8th is doing one of the best balancing jobs in ages) the game itself is very balanced. There is a counter for everything. Running lots of magic? Dwarfs and Empire will obliterate you. Running Dwarfs and Empire? Hordes or hyper-elites will straight-up own you. Running Hordes? Watch out for the hyper-elite armies like Warriors and Lizardmen. Running Hyper Elites? Be careful about magic and shooting. It's a giant game of rock-paper-scissors, and while one army might be average against most other armies, there will always be an army that it simply crushes, and another that it will have a very hard time playing against. It's the nature of the beast.
I can see the Empire, being the next book released for Warhammer .
I don't see it being released soon, as VC was just released, and the 6th edition of 40K around the corner .
I love for it to be soon, as my younger sister is now interested in Warhammer, and wants to field an Empire list .
I never said that Mortars are bad. Only that the Helstorm Rockets, which are meant to be like "super mortars" aren't worth giving up a Mortar for. Cannons are bad. They kill off a couple of guys if you hit a rank the right way, but you're limited by the size of your enemy units, or the presence of enemy monsters. It's not bad, but it's not all that great either.
What I was trying to get across is that Empire are far from broken, but they're not terrible either. They could go for a while without really needing any love from GW.
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Of course they're not good if you're fighting virtually nothing but infantry (and even then raking a few cannonballs across an elite unit like chaos warriors, white lions, templeguard, hammerers, bestigors, bretonnian lances etc. could see you earning back your points in a few shots), but they are incredibly against nearly anything larger, like enemy warmachines, chariot, monstrous infantry/cavalry/beasts and obviously monsters. And what skaven army nowadays leaves home without either a screaming bell or a plaguefurnace, or a hellpit or doomwheel. Or how many dark elves neglect to bring a hydra?
Cannons are good.
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