Warhammer 40000 6ed announced

[thenewKhan]

Just game balance at AP 4. The old mauls were the 'tap to stun' kind of power fields rather than the 'cleave through armour' kind - they need to be half decent in terms of S and I to have any chance of being chosen over swords and axes.

I am not worried/bothered by the mauls, its the axes. In what situation is +1s I1 worth paying for? If I am going to drop to I1 I will pay for a fist. Dropping axes to I1 just doesn't make any sense... If they were simply -1 initiative, then I could see that as a valid option, but being as slow as a fist/claw is just stupid.

[ikbuh]

Yea, I'm a little confused about that myself unless they strike before Power Fists. If PFists and the like were explicitly last and Axes were I1, then I could see it, but right now, there's no reason to take an Axe over a Fist if you have the option.

[thenewKhan]

Yea, I'm a little confused about that myself unless they strike before Power Fists. If PFists and the like were explicitly last and Axes were I1, then I could see it, but right now, there's no reason to take an Axe over a Fist if you have the option.

Yeah, THAT would make some sense. But still not much, a space marine with an axe should be able to strike with it before a Necron or Fire Warrior.

[Marius the Possessed]

I thought it was -1I with an axe, so an I4 Space Marine goes to I3. But I1 axe makes no sense, it's not that difficult to swing an axe. Maybe you aren't as fast as a sword, but you'd still be faster than firing off a haymaker with a cement boxing glove that's four sizes too big.

[Der_Kaiser]

So I've been reading through the rulebook and I'm actually alright with most of the changes. Except for this one: Why are Farseers now the weakest psykers in the game? Seriously, every army with psykers gets access to more disciplines, and a lot of the armies get access to divination and telepathy as it is. The only way I can really see to reconcile this is to a) make Farseers mastery level 2, with access to 3, b) allow them to choose their powers from divination or telepathy, not just the ones in the eldar book, c) Give eldar a whole lot of badass powers unique to the army, and d) make Eldrad a loremaster.

Seriously, Farseers are supposed to be the universe's top tier psykers, challenged only by followers of Tzeentch.

As for other changes, I can learn to live with the random charge distances, despite the fact that I know I'll constantly be getting screwed by it (I never pass up the opportunity to fail a die roll), I'm alright with AP3 on powerswords, but I hate the fact that terminators, already undercosted, get such a massive buff. Powerswords were so widespread that they needed a bit of a nerf, and I like the idea of melee weapons having AP values (sort of like fantasy's reduction to armor saves but still uniquely 40k). I'm REALLY hoping hull points don't render vehicles obsolete, mostly because I have a lot of them. Sure, I'd enjoy less focus on vehicles, but I don't want to start seeing all infantry all the time. And I've actually wanted challenges to be a part of the game since I started playing back in 3rd edition. In fact, when we started, my friends and I would try hard as we could to get our HQ units to clash in single combat.

So until I actually get a playtest in, I'm mostly alright with it, but my Eldar need an update, and BADLY.

Also, the cover bothers me. Why does he have such tiny arms?

[bliss-giver]

How come GK become the best psykers?

[A.T.]

How come GK become the best psykers?

Ward. Codex creep.
Assuming they actually have much in the way of access to the new powers.

Why are Farseers now the weakest psykers in the game?

They cost less than a SM librarian when taken with 2 powers, have a 4+ inv save, and frankly compare very well to contemporary 4th edition psykers like the old expensive Ld9 librarian from the DA codex.

Fluff wise eldar psykers don't let rip because they have a god after them. Ruleswise see above - Ward, codex creep.
Until then there is always Eldrad.

[bliss-giver]

I'm alright with AP3 on powerswords, but I hate the fact that terminators, already undercosted, get such a massive buff.

I worry that as chaos are the first 6th edition book (I think), their terminators will increase in cost, and so become redundant till other armies suffer a similar terminator adjustment. The problem with having so many similar marine armies is that a minor change in one can make it unbalanced compared to the other marine armies, but more balanced over all, so if CSM terminators get a nerf, they could be over-costed compared to standard terminators so everyone will just take those instead (unless the chaos ones get some cool stuff as well).

[Farseer Macleod]

So until I actually get a playtest in, I'm mostly alright with it, but my Eldar need an update, and BADLY.

I know how you feel man...I'm hoping for big things when Eldar finally get their update. Eldar will be the master psykers once again...we just need to be patient.

[ikbuh]

I worry that as chaos are the first 6th edition book (I think), their terminators will increase in cost, and so become redundant till other armies suffer a similar terminator adjustment. The problem with having so many similar marine armies is that a minor change in one can make it unbalanced compared to the other marine armies, but more balanced over all, so if CSM terminators get a nerf, they could be over-costed compared to standard terminators so everyone will just take those instead (unless the chaos ones get some cool stuff as well).

Until then, Karmoon Special is still only 105 points. Go get 'em tiger.

In all seriousness, I will be using them with my Daemons because why not. Plasma is better, 2+ Saves are better, They're cheap as hell, and it helps me with my Daemons problem.

Question:

What happens if I put a Daemon IC in a unit of Deepstriking Terminators and take a personal Icon and Daemonic Icon? When does the unit come down and Which icon can it use?