Coming back to Skaven, 3K

[hodgdog]

Im getting back into skaven after a long while. Just wanted input on this before I buy/build it.

Total in Lords: 525 Points
Grey Seer: Screaming Bell, Shadow Magnet Trinket, Power Scroll, Portents of Verminous Doom 525 pts. (with large group of Stormvermin, 18inch Leadership 7 is great for my slaves)

Total in Heroes: 271 Points
Cheiftain: BSB, Armour of Destiny, Halberd, Shield 124 pts. (with small Stormvermin)
Plague Priest: Additional Weapon, Talisman of Endurance, Channeling Staff 147 pts. (with Censer Bearers)

Total in Core: 1190 Points
51 Stormvermin: Full Command, Warplock Pistol, Razorstandard, Poisoned Wind Mortar - 500 pts.
24 Stormvermin: Shields, Full Command, Poisoned Wind Mortar - 282 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts. (i love perry)
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts.

Total in Special: 280 Points
6 Jezzails
10 Plague Censer Bearers

Total in Rare: 730 Points
2 Doomwheel
2 Warp Lightning Cannon
1 Hellpit Abomination: Warpstone Spikes - 250 pts.

Total Army Point Cost - 2996 pts.

Please let me know what you think, I need criticism to make this list the best it can be, competitive i mean.

I was thinking of dropping the HPA for 2 Plague Claw Catapults and more stormvermin

[hodgdog]

Well maybe the list is perfect? No one has criticism? I do, so I re-wrote the list

No more jezzails, better build on Seer, added Stormbanner, Dispell Scroll and Night Runners
Does this appear to be more competitive now? It feels better but I havent played Skaven in a long time...
Let me know what you think and please be critical.


Total in Lords: 540 Points
Grey Seer: Screaming Bell, Shadow Magnet Trinket, Power Scroll, Fencer's Blades 540 pts. (blades to protect him a little in CC)

Total in Heroes: 288 Points
Cheiftain: BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Ironcurse Icon, Halberd 122 pts.
Plague Priest: Censer, Dispell Scroll, The Terrifying Mask of EEE! 166 pts.

Total in Core: 922 Points
50 Stormvermin: Full Command, Warplock Pistol, Stormbanner, Poisoned Wind Mortar - 498 pts. (pistol to kill ethereals)
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Champion, Shields - 106 pts. (I like perry, Champ is to soak up wounds from scary heroes)
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Champion, Shields - 106 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Champion, Shields - 106 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Champion, Shields - 106 pts.

Total in Special: 520 Points
10 Plague Censer Bearers
10 Gutter Runners: Poisoned Attacks, Slings - 180 pts.
10 Gutter Runners: Poisoned Attacks, Slings - 180 pts.

Total in Rare: 730 Points
2 Doomwheels
2 Warp Lightning Cannons
1 Hellpit Abomination: Warpstone Spikes - 250 pts.

Total Army Point Cost - 3000 pts.

[Warlord Vrrmik]

Looks good. Old player maybe, but you obviously haven't lost your touch. Welcome back to the Under-Empire!

Just watch your Screaming Bell - it's a big target and a big investment, but I'm sure you are already aware of that.

[Punching Gnoblars]

Plague censors? Hmmm i generally found these guys to be too fragile, and too higher points cost. Are they useful in games? They would a bit of power to a unit

[Warlord Vrrmik]

Plague censors? Hmmm i generally found these guys to be too fragile, and too higher points cost. Are they useful in games? They would a bit of power to a unit

These guys are really good, in the right kind of list.

They are fragile, but isn't that what slave cover is for?

[BrockSamson]

I like the list, few critiques... I am not a fan of the bell, it tends to be a point sink, just give him a ward instead. Power Scroll was nerfed in an errata, just a heads up, don't know if you're aware. Mask of Terror seems pretty meh, could be points spent somewhere else (and be careful with his censer). Give slaves music, but beyond that their best upgrade is more bodies, parry is mathematically less effective than an equal point value of more bodies.

These are just nitpicks though, list looks very solid.

[hodgdog]

any ideas about how to kit the Plague Priest? I need the dispell scroll though. Power scroll is better for the 13th now, imo.Yeah dropping the champs might be good, I was thinking of dropping the units of gutter runners to 7 too.

thoughts? I play at a GW store that is highly competitive.

[Punching Gnoblars]

It looks bloody amazing

I generally invested in a addition hand weapon for my plague priest, also i dont think slaves can get a champion *checks rulebook ... i stand corrected. oops

[hodgdog]

Well I dropped the champs and changed the priest build and split the gutter runners into 3 units. But i think it will be really good when I finish building it and painting all those slaves...
So for now it looks like...

Total in Lords: 540 Points
Grey Seer: Screaming Bell, Shadow Magnet Trinket, Power Scroll, Fencer's Blades 540 pts.

Total in Heroes: 283 Points
Chieftain: BSB, Talisman of Preservation, Ironcurse Icon, Halberd 122 pts.
Plague Priest: Censer, Dispell Scroll, Opal Amulet, Potion of Speed 161 pts.

Total in Core: 906 Points
50 Stormvermin: Full Command, Warplock Pistol, Stormbanner, Poisoned Wind Mortar - 498 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts.
40 Skavenslaves: Musician, Shields - 102 pts.

Total in Special: 538 Points
10 Plague Censer Bearers
7 Gutter Runners: Poisoned Attacks, Slings - 126 pts.
7 Gutter Runners: Poisoned Attacks, Slings - 126 pts.
7 Gutter Runners: Poisoned Attacks, Slings - 126 pts.

Total in Rare: 730 Points
2 Doomwheel
2 Warp Lightning Cannon
1 Hellpit Abomination: Warpstone Spikes - 250 pts.

Total Army Point Cost - 2997 pts.

Any other critical comments are welcome

[BrockSamson]

Consider dropping the opal and potion for the 5+ ward talisman we get in our book, it fits on him with a dispel, that's how I run mine, but MR on the censers isn't a terrible idea either.