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Warriors of Chaos
Hello all, this is my first time posting here
Me and a few friends are trying to get into warhammer and I am having a few issues in choosing which army to be. It would be great if anyone could answer a few of my questions regarding Skaven.
1) Are Skaven competitive?
2) Is the Skaven Battalion box set any good?
3) Is this a better choice for a beginner than either Vampire Counts or Warriors of Chaos?
Thanks in advance for all helpful answers
I voted WoC, and I'll explain why in a second, but first I will answer your questions on Skaven. My brother plays Skaven, and I have fought them numerous times.
1) Yes, Skaven are very competitive. They were one of the the highest tier armies in 7th Ed. and are perhaps the top army in 8th.
2) Again, yes. The Skaven battalion is excellent, giving you 40 clanrats, the crux of the skaven army, 20 plague monks, who with their higher toughness can withstand greater punishment, the heavy hitting rat gores and of course the giant rats. Very good value.
3) As to whether they are best is a different matter. They are definitely better than VC for beginners - VC isn't the easiest army to play, and probably suits more experienced gamers. WoC however are a great starting army. It really comes down to whose fluff you like the best. WoC tends to lean towards elite, and more expensive units, but these units are very powerful. IMO, Skaven would quickly get tedious to paint, and it is going to cost you a helluva lot of money to buy the hundreds of miniatures needed for such a horde-based army.
But really it comes down to which army you like best fluff-wise and which one you like the look of.
WoC for sure. They are a 'newb' friendly army and quite competative. VC take a lot of skill to play in the new edition and with the new rules are one of the worst armies out now. Never played skaven so I am unable to comment on personal experience. My friend however plays them and they seem fun to play and can stand up against most armies. If I had to choose 1/3 though, I'd go WoC.
Although i am a Skaven played i'd recomed WoC due to the fact they have low model count, competetative, one of the best if not the best armies for beginners.
Low model count
We have a tournament running and my older bro has the highest win to lose ratio. He has 2 groups of 10 warriors with shields, 5 knights/10 chosen as super elites, usually some warhounds and a sorcerer. Also painting can be a real nightmare! Havent got the paints to paint any skaven but takes 3 hours a ogre kingdom model(my first army)
Every chaos warrior is a just about mini hero, good save, overall great fighters.
One of the best if not the best armies for beginners.
Easy tactic wise, charge forward, use a screen win combat. Also one of the cheapest armies around, 10 chaos warriors with shields is 160pts so you wont need to spend much.
I ended up choosing the Skaven, but there are a few disadvantages and advantages with doing that, and I'll mention those later on.
1. Skaven are very competitive, and are said to be one of the most 'overpowered' or the 'best' armies in 8th ed.
2. A new Skaven player who doesn't buy a battalion is foolish and idiotic. The Island of Blood kit helps a bit as well, giving you 4 Rat Ogres, 80 Clanrats, 20 Plague Monks, 2 Weapon Teams, a Warlord, a Warlock Engineer, Giant Rats, as well as everything and anything else I have forgotten to list here.
3. I would not even consider Vampire Counts as an army for a new player. So it comes down to WoC vs Skaven. The disadvantages are with Skaven you don't have to be nearly as tactical in your games as WoC, and can do you bad in tournaments, as it is basically forward in and hope for the best. WoC teach new players to be very tactical and wary of their opponent. A second disadvantage with Skaven is the amount of assembly, painting etc. that is involved with the army. With WoC, you have much less to assemble and paint, which can be good or bad. A final thing I want to mention is the contrast between troops: the average Skaven is a craven, little, weak rat, and relies on numbers to do any good, but mind you, you can field 30 Clanrats for 120 points only. But like Punching Gnoblars said, "Every Chaos Warrior is a mini-hero, good save, overall great fighters." They also aren't super-expensive like other lesser armies. But they aren't horde armies like Skaven.
It all depends whether you want to field an elite army or a horde army.
Last edited by Warlord Vrrmik; October 4th, 2010 at 22:07.